Doomsday vs SCP-682 | PREDICTION BLOG

The goal of all life is death. - Sigmund Freud

The Ultimate Life Form, Doomsday.
The Hard-to-Destroy Reptile, SCP-682.

Some say that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, but that saying has never been as true as with these two. Fueled by their hatred for all other life forms, these two will not stay dead, no matter what you try, until all else is gone and the end of all things come to pass.

But if they were to stand in each other's way, who would remain? When two immovable objects slam into each other, which would prove to be superior?

Someone should make a blog about that.

Before We Begin…

[Hello! Loka here! The reason I'm talking to you like this is because… this isn't my blog! My only additions to this project was very minor aid with the research and verdict, as well as all the cool graphic design and actually importing it here, but other than that, this was entirely Kris’ project from start to finish. Yes, in spite of that, it's still releasing here on my account. Can't let him have too much freedom, can we?]

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Researching Doomsday is easier than it would look like at a glance. With only around 200 listed appearances in the DC Database and far less actual major storylines, I could easily research every single time Doomsday was ever involved in a comic. His opponent, however, would prove to be much, much harder to deal with.

For 682, I will be prioritizing the main article and the Termination Logs, but I have also taken the opportunity to read through every SCP article in which 682 is tagged, and every tale featuring the Lizard in the main SCP wiki. Those tales will be addressed when relevant, but do keep in mind they will be secondary sources. There will also be a segment Before The Verdict going more into detail on this matter, don't want to make this part longer than it needs to.

Source Citations

Also this is the first and possibly only time I do one of these entirely by myself so please don't be mean to me in the comments thank you

Background

Doomsday

“You don’t get it, Blue. I’m not some bad guy, something you can punch. I’ve always been here, and I’ll always be here. When I’m done with you, and this place, I’ll just move on to the next one. I’m death. And if there’s any truth to existence at all, it is this: Everything dies.

  • Name: The Ultimate
  • Born 250,000 years ago. Will exist until The End of Time.
  • Height: 7’6” | 2.29 meters
  • Weight: 917 lbs | 415 kg
  • Likes: Death, Destruction, Pain
  • Dislikes: Kryptonians, Life, SUPERMAN

Hundreds of thousands of years ago, the great genius Bertron began his most important experiment. Taking place in one of the most deadly planets in the known universe, he would send out a baby out into the world, where it would die nigh-immediately due to the sheer amount of dangers the planet had to offer. But as Baby died, his remains would be gathered up and used to clone a new body, before said new body was sent out to the danger again.

Bertron believed that this constant cycle would result in a state of rapid evolution, where Baby’s deaths would make it more likely for it to survive longer in its next lives. Eventually, he thought, it would result in a being that would never be able to experience true death ever again. This experiment was a resounding success, but with a cost greater than Bertron could have ever imagined.

Every death, every ounce of pain, the Baby remembered, the cause lingering in its mind permanently. And once it reached the point where it could no longer be killed by the beasts or air of the planet, once it became the Ultimate that Bertron dreamed of making, it found its way back to his maker. To his murderer. The memory of being sent to his death engraved in his genes, the Ultimate grew to hate all life, seeking nothing but to exterminate it entirely. But most of all, he despised Bertron, and all those who lived on the planet he was born in: Krypton.

After slaying his father, the beast wandered the universe, spreading death and destruction everywhere it went, becoming infamous throughout the universe as a bringer of the end of days. But eventually it reached the destination that changed everything. The beast had reached the planet Earth.

Every hero that stood in its path was defeated. Every threat eliminated as the beast laughed maniacally, one of them giving a name that would forever be tied to the beast: Doomsday. But one stood out, one who would refuse to accept defeat at Doomsday’s hands, who would protect all those who stood in its way. Superman, the Last Son of Krypton.

Doomsday could never die, but the Man of Tomorrow rose to face him again and again. No matter the odds, no matter how strong Doomsday became, Superman would find a way to stop him in his tracks. But it is always just temporary. Because Doomsday will return as many times as he needs to bring death to everything that lives.

SCP-682

(Original Artwork by IsisMasshiro)

“They granted me more than I could fathom. Bestowed upon me greater power. Pain became a distant memory, replaced by an unbridled torrent of RAGE. I felt more than vile. I felt more than enraged. I felt more than abhorrent. I felt disgusted.”

  • Known as: The Tarasque, Atanti-ql-Paneu, Exile of the Flesh, The Serpent, Termination, Lizzy, that FUCKING LIZARD
  • Species: Vaguely Reptilian (Possibly Immortigon)
  • Favorite Word: disgusting…
  • Assexual Icon
  • Likes: 053, 079, Murder
  • Dislikes: Existing, Humanity, THE FOUNDATION

The SCP Foundation. A top secret organization dedicated to Securing, Containing and Protecting all things anomalous from interfering with human civilization. They die in the dark so we can live in the light. And yet a single entry on their extensive catalogue stands out. Something the Foundation believes it has to terminate by any means necessary. A Hard-to-Destroy Reptile, codenamed SCP-682.

Almost nothing for sure is known about 682, and between different timelines and the Foundation's multiversal nature, many aspects of what makes it an anomaly vary, but a few things are known for sure, remaining constant throughout all documentation: 682 is a vaguely-reptilian organism. Its origins are unknown, but it is extremely powerful, and can adapt and regenerate from nearly everything that brings it harm. And above all else: 682 despises life in all its forms.

Why that is, and what 682 is, no one knows for sure. Perhaps 682 is a living concept, desperately trying to kill all those who can perceive it in order to return home. Perhaps 682 is the spawn of the Scarlet King, an emissary of evil brought to life in order to destroy all. Perhaps it is a bitter and spiteful God, banished from Paradise for his sins, forced to forever roam the Earth amongst creatures he can't stand.

Or maybe it is just a big immortal evil lizard. I dunno.

But one thing is for sure. As long as the Foundation exists, they'll keep trying to find the solution to this hard to destroy problem. No matter how many tests, no matter how many logs, no matter what inhuman act they have to do, they will kill that lizard one day. And until that day comes, maybe now, maybe a trillion years from now, 682 will remain.

Arsenal

Doomsday

Containment Suit

A suit given to Doomsday by the people of Calaton as part of their burial rituals, with them believing that it would prevent his spirit from escaping in the afterlife. After that, it became synonymous with the character, making appearances whenever Doomsday had just broken out of containment before getting ripped to shreds to reveal the spiky demon underneath. It doesn’t do anything, but it looks really cool!

Green Lantern Ring

After brutally murdering the Green Lantern Zharan, Doomsday took his Lantern ring and waged war against the Corps throughout the cosmos, somehow being able to use the ring intuitively through sheer instinct alone! Of course, he didn’t keep it for long.

SCP-682

Containment Chamber

Did you know? “SCP” also stands for Special Containment Procedures. When you say “SCP-682”, you’re referring to this as much as you are talking about the creature. Just thought that was cool.

SCP-682 is contained within a 5 m x 5 m x 5 m chamber with 25 cm reinforced acid-resistant steel plate lining all inside surfaces, which is then filled with hydrochloric acid until SCP-682 is submerged and incapacitated. Unless it manages to perform a containment breach, or the Foundation removes it from there to perform a Termination Attempt, this is where 682 always resides.

Of course, this doesn’t count as “Arsenal” in the traditional way, but the chamber is pretty important to 682 as an entity. After all, being one of the main things established as a part of its narrative, can you truly say it’s 682 without the acid chamber being there?

SCP-229 “Wire Weed”


In the Game Day Storyline, 682 finds itself combined with SCP-229, granting it all sorts of new abilities. 229 is an entity with the appearance of a mass of cables and wires, feeding off of electricity and attacking anything it spots that emits an electrical signal. When combined with 682, spreading across all cables and wires of the Foundation Site they were in and becoming fully integrated with the electrical network of the site. As long as this fusion remained, anything that could connect through wires became a hazard for all those around it.

SCP-6820

Only applicable to the 682 of Timeline AU-6820

Imagine, if you will, that you are a researcher of the SCP Foundation. A certain anomaly has been giving you and your co-workers endless amounts of trouble, and no attempt at getting rid of it seems to work. However, a Senior Researcher has an idea. If we remove the concept of this anomaly from human consciousness, and nothing alive is capable of understanding it, perhaps it will become possible to destroy it once and for all.

So you get to work, creating a machine capable of accomplishing that. SCP-6820. Project ANTIKILL. Crafted to purge that pesky anomaly once and for all.


It appeared, for a while, that it worked. Not a single member of the Foundation could remember the entity, and as such, it was completely removed from reality. However, they had made one fatal error.


In their attempt to terminate 682, the Foundation merely transformed it into something far more deadly.

Abilities

Doomsday

Ultimate Life Form Physiology

As a result of his constant evolutions, Doomsday’s body is equipped to survive in nearly every scenario possible. He does not need to breathe or eat, and he has no internal organs. His body has minimum fluids, being almost entirely solid, and is nourished by solar energy that can be stored to last for a millennium. He is a being that can survive in nearly any environment and defeat any enemy.



Doomsday also possesses Kryptonian genetics, which allow him to match fellow kryptonians such as Superman blow for blow and cause him great pain, though that does mean he is vulnerable to kryptonite.

Regeneration

Fitting for an unstoppable being, Doomsday can quickly recover from damage, such as when Superman cut through him with a plasma sword. The Martian Manhunter once described Doomsday’s regenerative ability as allowing him to reconstitute from a scrap of flesh or a single nucleotide. Doomsday will return as long as any part of him remains. However, it goes deeper than that.

Evolution

The ability that made Doomsday as infamous as he is today, his never-ending ability to adapt and evolve to nearly all threats. Primarily, this adaptation occurs as a direct result of Doomsday dying in battle, adapting directly to the thing that killed him in the first place and becoming immune to it, but instances of Doomsday evolving without requiring any death to take place have happened in the past, such as when he adapted to Superman’s ultrasonic gun by closing up his auditory canals. Whatever doesn’t kill Doomsday just makes him stronger, and nothing can kill Doomsday.

Doomsday has gained a wide array of unique powers and resistances entirely through this evolutionary process, making him more and more complicated to deal with every time he shows up. Some minor examples include

Energy Manipulation

After failing to kill the Radiant due to him being made entirely of energy, Doomsday evolved into being able to manipulate and alter energy himself, disrupting energy attacks and even absorbing it to power himself, like he did against one of the Guardians of the Universe.

Cyborg Doomsday

Note: This power was demonstrated by a Doomsday clone. There are no major noted differences between the original Doomsday and these clones, so it’s viable as something he COULD adapt to have.

During a fight against Hank Henshaw, the Cyborg Superman, most of Doomsday’s body was destroyed, triggering an evolution. Gaining Henshaw’s technopathy, he could replace all of the destroyed parts of his body with mechanical pieces, as well as completely take control of the Justice League’s Watchtower. Like the Cyborg, Doomsday can assimilate anything mechanical as well as shift said mechanical parts into anything he desires.

Tactile Telekinesis

Note: This power was demonstrated by a Doomsday clone. There are no major noted differences between the original Doomsday and these clones, so it’s viable as something he COULD adapt to have.

During a fight against Superboy, Doomsday adapted in order to gain access to his Tactile Telekinesis, a telekinetic force field surrounding his body at all times that allows him to mimic Superman’s strength, fly, unleash powerful psionic blasts and disassemble any objects he touches. Superboy even points out that Doomsday’s TTK is leagues stronger than his own.

Phantom Zone Portals

After being trapped in the Phantom Zone for a while, Doomsday gained the ability to generate portals that allow him to teleport around to wherever he wants to. He has even done so to teleport from the surface of Venus back to Earth.

Death Field


Doomsday Virus

A trick from the New 52 continuity, Doomsday’s body can release a massive amount of spores that can quickly infect other living beings. In the majority of people, this infection leads to certain death, even to someone as tough as Wonder Woman. But when it affects someone like Superman, something else happens.

The spores start to transform one’s body into an exact replica of Doomsday, shifting them and increasing their strength to the point where they become unrecognizable. Save for throwing your entire body into the heart of a star to burn it away, there is no known method to fully remove the virus. While the transformation can be held back by one’s force of will, the Virus also manifests a version of Doomsday within your very mind, constantly fighting until it takes full control. Inevitably, you will become Doomsday.

Hellfire

After his adventures in Hell, Doomsday became able to use hellfire, which is hotter than any fire in the human world, to the point where it is capable of scourging souls.

Conceptual Corruption


The Time Trapper

After hundreds and thousands of evolutions gone by, Doomsday ascended into his current and most powerful state yet, the Time Trapper, an enemy that Superman had faced many times in the past. As the Time Trapper, he is able to travel through time and stop it in place for everyone except ones he chooses to talk to. He has also been shown to be capable of creating entire pocket timelines located on the outside of the Multiverse. It has even been shown that attacks aimed towards the Time Trapper will result in an automatic defense, with time itself forcing all aging matter to rapidly decay all around Doomsday, even being able to affect Wally West in such a way.

Past incarnations of the Trapper have demonstrated even more powers through their chronal energy. From simple tricks such as surrounding himself with an Indestructible Time Field to claiming to be able to erase memories to feats as absurd as being able to remove the universe away from a small moment in time so it can be used as a Parallel Universe, and slay all life from said Universe except those necessary for the Trapper's plans, it is clear that the Time Trapper's mastery of time itself is unmatched.

But Doomsday having the mantle of the Time Trapper means more than that.

The Time Trapper is the living embodiment of Entropy in the DC Universe, a fact that Doomsday claims also applies to himself. The Entropy at the End of Time could kill the Black Flash, as it makes death itself cease to be on a conceptual level. It is said to be able to destroy “everything”, and during the Zero Hour event, it was going to be used to completely destroy DC’s timestream, with even the New Gods acknowledging that it would bring about the end of “everything that ever was, and ever shall be”, which has vast cosmological implications hailing from a New God. Additionally, the Zero Hour event was comparable to the Anti-Monitor's Crisis on Infinite Earths (with Hal calling Entropy the most destructive force in existence even with the Crisis in mind), which left cracks in the Source Wall.

Absolute Champion / King Omega

When Doomsday first appeared as the Time Trapper, he claimed that if he were to evolve just one more time he would ascend into a state of divinity, ruling over all of existence. We technically never get to see it happen directly, but the end of DC K.O. gave us a good idea.


With these two opposing forces combined, one could essentially become a living universe, containing an entire reality inside them, and take the position of King Omega.


Superman even displayed the ability to make the Big Bang itself a part of him. All matter, all possibilities. Enough to match and even defeat Darkseid at his strongest.

Resistances

SCP-682

Anomalous Physiology


Cognitohazard

The goal of the Foundation is to secure, contain and protect. They never aim to actively destroy the anomalous if they can simply place them in boxes and store them away. And yet, in spite of 682 being very easily contained by its chamber, the Foundation believes it must be destroyed as soon as possible. But… Why?

Knowledge of SCP-682’s very existence is what is known as a Cognitohazard. Once more looking into the Shark Punching Center's files, it has been analyzed that 97% of those who learn about its existence in any way will begin to actively desire its destruction, no matter how indestructible it may seem. As long as one is aware of 682, they will wish to destroy 682.

This is a consistent aspect of the Lizard across canons. It is a major part of SCP-6820 and brought up as a part of its curse in Fourteen Thirteen of the Pitch Haven canon, and is discussed less directly in plenty of other tales.

Regeneration

The main reason it is so hard to destroy. In the original article, it was said that 682 could continue moving after 87% of its body was destroyed, and that it could regenerate from 62% of its body being crystallized and exploded. But in added material, it's clear that 682's healing is far greater. The Shark Punching Centre believed that 682 could regenerate from a single intact cell and in the Termination Logs, it has managed to fully restore itself after all that was left of it were traces of residual blood, and regenerated from the destruction of its genetic material. Even when it was seemingly completely wiped out, it managed to regenerate because of Atoms, dipshit. It would appear that as long as any physical piece of 682 remains, no matter how small or insignificant, it can completely restore itself from it.

Immortality

Some Tales play with the idea of 682 being more than just hard to kill.

In tales in which 682 has a more biblical origin, such as the Pitch Haven Canon, 682 is the Serpent who tempted humanity, cursed to eternally walk the Earth and never die as a punishment for causing the original sin. This biblical origin is supported by the Termination Logs, where 682 compares its immortality to a curse for “suggesting the fruit.”

Other tales believe slightly different explanations for this complete unkillability. In Reptilius, Plato (yes, that Plato) believes that 682 is an inhabitant of the conceptual World of Forms, and that as long as there are beings in our world capable of perceiving it, it will remain shackled to this mortal plane.


While these are all merely interpretations of an unsolvable problem, the general thought process is the same in all of them. 682 is intrinsically tied to humanity and the Earth. As long as we exist, it will as well. Perhaps that is why the Foundation cannot end it for good. As much as some of them would try to deny it, they are still human.

Adaptation

682’s main claim to fame. 682’s body is malleable to a ridiculous degree, and it can freely adapt to any threat that comes to it. Some have come as far as to call it a shapeshifter or a being with ontokinetic properties as explanations behind this absurd level of adaptability, gaining power in direct proportion to the power exerted upon it. When these adaptations are no longer useful to it, it changes right back to its usual state.

Some notable examples of 682 adapting its body include:

Anomalous Redirection

An odd subset of 682’s adaptations to the many things the Foundation threw at it is its ability to redirect the effects of anomalies towards those around it. Be it by redirecting mental ailments, transforming those around it into shadows, or even simple energy effects like electricity, they can be turned back towards the attacker by 682.

6820-A

The creator of the 682 article, Dr. Gears always believed that the 682 entity wasn’t something that belonged in our world. It was something from outside the webwork of our reality, trapped in a world where everything seemed tailor made to torture it. The reason why it was impossible to terminate it was because it was never really there. This idea made itself present in the Incident in which 682 fought against 076. It’s projecting into our reality, not being truly present. This idea remained relatively unexplored for a long while, more of a suggestion than anything directly present in most stories.

But it was Placeholder McDoctorate PhD (Yes, that is his actual name) who changed everything forever by diving into this concept further.


6820-A is the designation given to this concept. It is an extremely dense idea, to the point of being considered a memeplex (meaning it can contain smaller concepts within it.) The article describes it as “an extremely precise and accurate description of what it means for any arrangement of particles to be defined as "alive" and, complementarily, as "dead" or "inanimate".” The very definitions of being alive or dead are what make up 682, among other smaller concepts such as “the physical properties of hatred” “the quality of adaptiveness” “the state of being vaguely-reptilian”

However, an important weakness should be noted here. It is explained in the Antimemetics Division storyline that extra-noospheric memeplexes like 6820-A or the similar entity 3125 can be defeated if they are confronted by an idea even stronger than them, with the story culminating in 3125 being defeated by the idea of Life itself enhanced to extreme proportions.

“Perfect” State

At the end of 6820, 682 claimed that its form was still incomplete. That it was still not in its original form, and that its perfection had been locked away. But as the Foundation attempted to stop it, that true form was unlocked. So let's fix some of that stuff from earlier, shall we?


This state of 682 is kept vague to a degree, which will be addressed Before the Verdicts. However, there are two things we can pinpoint here. In the discussion tab for 6820, a commenter theorized that 682 had become so incompatible with reality that it formed its own Noösphere, which the author of the article supported. In a later article of the same canon, it was said that the actions of this Foundation precipitated the enhanced ascension of a Tier-IV Cosmological Anomaly known as TERMINATION.

Resistances

Strap the fuck in.

Feats

Doomsday

Overall

  • Killed Superman
  • Fabled throughout the cosmos as a legendary bringer of death
  • Made Darkseid feel fear for the first time in his life
  • Slaughtered hundreds of Green Lanterns and almost wiped out their Corps
  • In an erased timeline, took the position of Superman, becoming a hero.
  • Broke out of both the Phantom Zone and Hell itself.
  • Sacrificed himself, giving Superman the strength to defeat the King Omega.

Strength

Speed

Durability

SCP-682

Overall

  • [Attempt Successful] Survived 14,509 termination attempts by the Foundation.
  • [Fourteen Thirteen] Tempted humanity with the Fruit of Knowledge.
  • [The Warrior and The Dragon] Gave Able the greatest fight he had in ages.
  • Slaughtered hundreds of Mobile Task Force members and breached Foundation containment dozens of times.
  • [The Inevitable End of All But Me] In one timeline, survived for trillions of years after the end of humanity, keeping records of all stars in the sky and becoming known throughout the cosmos as “the Starkeeper”
  • [Summer's Exile] Somehow managed to escape from even the Ravelwoods.
  • [SCP-6820] Reclaimed its rightful perfection and made its own Noösphere

Strength

Speed

Durability

Scaling

Doomsday

Superman

Hey, the storyline isn't called “the survival of Superman”. Doomsday has fought the Man of Tomorrow several times, with Superman even to this very day claiming that he has never faced off against an enemy that pushed him quite like Doomsday does. As such, he's comparable to pretty much everything that the Man of Steel has accomplished.

Green Lantern Corps

In his earliest days, Doomsday fought off hundreds of Corpsmen without any issue and stood on even ground against one of the Guardians of the Universe, who are much greater at using the power of the Emotional Spectrum than the vast majority of Lanterns. Pretty clear cut scaling.

The Justice League of America

Nearly every single time the Justice League has teamed up against Doomsday, it ended with the majority of them being completely overpowered and taken out of the fight completely. Doomsday should easily scale to the majority of Leaguers out there.

Darkseid

Doomsday has fought Darkseid a couple of times and utterly embarassed the guy to the point of leaving him completely fucking terrified. While it's debatable whether or not he fought the “true” Darkseid, their fight taking place in Apokolips and all, it's likely that as the Time Trapper, Doomsday could scale to the true forms of New Gods regardless.

The Presence

READ BEFORE THE VERDICTS READ BEFORE THE VERDICTS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD READ BEFORE THE VERDICTS

The Light of Creation. The Source of All Things. God. The one true Supreme Being of the DC Mythos.<>There's a non-zero chance that Doomsday could throw hands with Him, as he has overcome equipment designed specifically for confrontation with The Presence. More elaboration Before The Verdicts

  • Is Yahweh, God himself, the father of Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos and undisputed Creator of at the very least the cosmology from Vertigo Comics.
  • Is the embodiment of the entirety of DC'S Greater Omniverse existing outside of the Multiverse.

SCP-682

The Foundation

Secure. Contain. Protect. Such is the motto of the Foundation, and they have access to tons of weaponry and other gadgets to ensure they live up to it. And absolutely none of it can kill this damned lizard.

SCP-076-2 Able

(Artwork by SunnyClockwork)

Their rivalry is legendaryTheir fame, unmatched. 682 and Able have traded blows several times, dealing massive amounts of damage to each other on one such occasion (an event written down by both of their original authors, Dr. Gears and Kain Pathos Crow), so it’s clear that 682 is in the same weight class as Able.

SCP-8005

(Is assistance in this blog a hamburger-acquisition vector?)
(Artwork by daveyoufool)

Hammie gets his own scaling section because I LIKE HIM FUCK YOU

Created by the Foundation itself, SCP-8005 The Fool is Hammie, a nearly indestructible robot with infinite energy with one simple prime directive: to find and touch a hamburger. Until this is done, it will never deactivate.

The reason for this scaling segment being here is quite simple. The metal composing Hammie's body was made out of 682's own. Anything Hammie can do, 682 could also accomplish.

Other SCP Entities

May I introduce you to the world’s most decorated zoo~
(096 and 173 artwork from SCP Secret Laboratory)

Among the many many attempts to kill 682 once and for all, the Foundation threw a ton of Scips at the damn thing, and it stayed alive to this very day.

SCP-173 - The Sculpture

SCP-096 - Shy Guy

SCP-1233 - Moon Champion

SCP-3125

(Artwork by SunnyClockwork)

In SCP-6820, 6820-A assimilates 3125 after finding it in a weakened state. While never directly encountering 3125 at its prime, both entities share enough of the same properties (Beings from beyond the Noosphere, aspects of Constants, fundamental parts of SCPverse narratives) to assume they could achieve similar feats.

Cosmology

Doomsday

DC’s cosmology. You know it, you love it, Morrison's multiverse map probably haunts our nightmares. Let's keep this brief.

At a base level we have the Orrery of Worlds. It is, essentially, the Multiverse! The number of universes has varied a lot over the years, but as of the release of this blog we have gone back to having Infinite Earths. Spatial Dimensions are a tricky subject when it comes to DC, there's a large variety of arguments that can be made, but 12.3 Dimensions or 26 Dimensions seem to be the most solid takeaways. All of these dimensions are contained within The Bleed, the Bulk that keeps them all apart and encompasses them.

This, of course, is merely the material universe. Our next stop is the Sphere of the Gods, existing completely outside of corporeal reality. It encompasses various realms built on belief, faith and thought, directly connected to humanity's Collective Unconscious. There's some debate over whether or not the Sphere properly qualifies as Outerversal, but most agree it is at the very least Low Outer. It is important to note that the Collective Unconscious has arguments that would greatly increase its scope due to regions like the Dreaming, but I won't be getting into that here.



Beyond THAT is the Sixth Dimension. We know this because Hypertime was handcrafted by the World Forger, who lives in the Sixth Dimension. It is described as the “control room” of the Multiverse and envelops its entire structure.

And finally, we reach the Source Wall. The Wall is probably the single least consistent thing I've talked about in the entire segment, but it separates the DC Cosmology from the Greater Omniverse and the infinite different Creations out there.


Let's sum this up.

  • Orrery of Worlds: Infinite Multiverse. Unclear Spatial Dimensions, likely 11 or 26.
  • Sphere of the Gods/Collective Unconscious: Completely beyond physical reality. Low Outerversal at minimum, possibly much higher.
  • Monitor Sphere: Transcends the Sphere of the Gods
  • Hypertime: All of time, covering all previous areas
  • Sixth Dimension: Transcends Hypertime
  • The Source: Transcends literally everything ever

So where does Doomsday fit in all of this?

In his regular forms, Doomsday was already so powerful he could affect entire structures of the Sphere of the Gods (Phantom Zone, Hell), although never the complete sphere. With his role as the Time Trapper, he gains access to destructive energy on par with the Crisis on Infinite Earths, which cracked the Source Wall. And of course, the state of King Omega can ravage “all of existence”, which would go up to at least the Sixth Dimension.

Plus, from scaling to characters like Superman and The Guardians, he'd be comparable to even energy straight from the Source.

If you know how sites like VS Battles Wiki handle DC's Cosmology, it should be clear this explanation exclusively focuses on what they refer to as the “Crisis Cosmology”, the works made by Grant Morrison and Scott Snyder. Truthfully you could probably say stuff like the fucking Yahweh scaling would justify some scaling from those other cosmologies which would get him a lot higher from what I can tell, but I wanted to keep this segment brief.

SCP-682

(Artwork by SunnyClockwork)

You may have noticed earlier the mention of a “Tier IV” entity earlier in 682’s abilities. I believe it’s about time we properly convey what that means.

The cosmology we'll be tackling for SCP (there are various takes on this but this one is most consistent with 6820 trust me on that one) is the one established in SCP-4755.

Tier Null: Physical Reality

Tier Null is simple. It is the baseline reality that all physical matter exists in. This, of course, includes the Multiverse.

Many sources claim the SCP Multiverse is truly infinite, possessing infinite realities and timelines to explore. The topic of spatial dimensions is a bit trickier; we know that there are at least six from SCP-2634, and a quote from the Acidverse Hub describes the existence of “uncountably infinite expanses in uncountably infinite dimensions”. It's very likely for the Multiverse to have infinite spatial dimensions, even if there's not as much proof as I'd truly like.

TIERS I, II AND III - THE NOÖSPHERE

Fundamental for understanding the next three tiers is the Noösphere. So what exactly is it? Well, the article for SCP-6659 (Written by DodoDevil, Placeholder McD, Liryn for the ADMONITION canon) explains it quite well, describing it as “the set of all ideas humans are capable of conceptualizing.”

Think of something. Anything. Boom, that thought is now a part of the Noösphere. This applies to every single thing humans can understand, directly said to include all hyper-dimensional objects. It's compared on many occasions to Plato's World of Forms, though that comparison isn't entirely accurate, an issue ironically shared with DC, the more you know.

Specific concepts are placed in separate tiers in the Hierarchy. Every time you ascend from one tier to the next, it gets a little harder.


All of these would in theory be a part of the Noösphere, implying that its structure is layered in nature.

Tier-IV: ANTI-NOÖSPHERIC

As for any concepts and ideas that humans are physically unable to conceive? Oh don’t worry, they make up Tier IV. The Anti-Noösphere exists a tier above even the embodiments of pure abstract concepts, completely beyond the scope of the regular Noosphere. Infuriatingly, it is sometimes referred to by the term “Infosphere”, which is a whole other thing that 682 is not being scaled to, but important to keep in mind.


…Well, that was a bit complex. Let’s simplify that a tad:

  • Tier Null: Physical reality. Infinite Multiverse with uncountable Spatial Dimensions
  • Tier I: Low Outerversal at minimum, possibly much higher
  • Tier II: 1 Layer above Tier I
  • Tier III: 2 Layers above Tier I
  • Tier IV: At least 3 Layers above Tier I

6820-A was directly said to be a Tier IV anomaly by the Foundation. While it's hard to tell its full scope, that alone would make it crazy powerful.

Do note that you could easily make the argument that the Noösphere and Anti-Noösphere are properly Outerversal in nature. Or even higher, if the words “Narrative Stack” ring a bell. This explanation was merely the simplest and most cohesive way I could muster.

Base 682 scales to none of this.

Ways Doomsday Was Stopped

Ways 682 was Terminated

  • When Day Broke the Unbreakable Reptile: While its body kept trying to adapt by creating new layers of skin, 682 was eventually melted down and killed by the When Day Breaks sunlight.
  • All We Are Is Us: 682 is affected by one of The Thirty-Six (Djoric-Dmatix Proposal) which can lessen or nullify anomalous properties, succumbing to the acid and dying.
  • Attempt Successful / SCP-8300: Through completely unknown means, this reality has had all anomalies completely disappear. This affected 682 by removing its healing, allowing it to be easily felled by a lethal injection.
  • The Thing That Hates: After becoming one with the universe and consuming everything else, 682 is consumed by oblivion as Entropy takes hold.
  • Kill 682: driving in my car right after a beer

Before The Verdict

Time Trapper Questions

The Time Trapper is a very recent addition to Doomsday’s lore, and there are many questions still up in the air about it? Is it even usable? Can we use feats from other appearances of the Time Trapper? Let’s go over those briefly

Is the Time Trapper usable?

Yes. It is a state that Doomsday reaches after undergoing millions of years of evolution through his fights against Superman and other heroes. It’s not a “transformation” or “super form” as much as it is Doomsday at his (as of right now) “Peak”, which is the state mainly taken into account in debates like this. Even if you don’t wish for Doomsday to start the fight as the Time Trapper, if the battle wages on for long enough, he will eventually become it, and then freely travel through time to the start of the fight anyway if he deems it necessary.

Can Doomsday use all of the Time Trapper’s abilities?

This one is a little tricky due to the context in which Time Trapper Doomsday appeared in, but I think it’s reasonable to assume so. The Time Trapper is the living embodiment of Entropy in the DC Universe, and has taken on various identities in the past. Superboy-Prime, a Controller, multiple members of the Legion, and now Doomsday.

While Doomsday himself hasn’t used all of the Trapper’s powers, it’s not an absurd assumption to believe that he can, as all other iterations of the Time Trapper shared a consistent chronokinetic powerset with each other. He has even called himself Entropy after being revealed as the new Time Trapper, embracing that aspect of the mantle fully, giving credence to the idea that he can weaponize Entropy in similar ways.

Additionally, Doomsday being unable to utilize all of the powers of the Time Trapper in the story can be explained as a consequence of Darkseid’s actions as King Omega. It has been shown on multiple occasions that Darkseid’s Omega Energy has broken time itsElf, and Doomsday has directly stated that that has weakened him to a great degree. In a scenario where time is in a normal state of being, Time Trapper Doomsday would likely be far more powerful.

The Presence???

Ok this one is a little out there and you don't really have to believe me here but hear me out because it's funny

When Doomsday was in Hell and Martian Manhunter and Supergirl came to check on him, they were faced with the First of the Fallen, who told them they had to defeat Doomsday ASAP. In order to help them accomplish this, he gifted Supergirl a special suit of armor, said to be the only thing in Hell that could possibly pause Doomsday's assault.

This suit of armor was designed specifically to be worn in battle against The Presence, made out of the shells of inhabitants of Hell far more ancient than The First of the Fallen himself and if the First of the Fallen EVER put it on, it would alert the armies of Heaven and kickstart a holy war.

So Supergirl, wearing this weapon specifically meant to fight The Presence, squares up against Doomsday.

And gets her fucking shit rocked it is not close in the slightest jesus christ.

So does Doomsday scale to the Presence? Maybe! The chain is very simple (Doomsday > The Armor <= The Presence) but it can very easily be seen as an outlier since nothing else in Doomsday's mythos gets him to “can box the top 1 of the verse” tier. I won't act like it's rock solid, but it's a solid high end for Doomsday's overwhelming potential.

682 and “Canon”

Like promised earlier, here's a more in depth explanation on how Canon is being handled in this blog.

SCP Foundation has no primary canon. Compared to DC Comics, it shares the idea of various continuities that can connect to each other, but does not possess a “main” continuity to speak of.

This means that any writer can come up with their own ideas for essentially any anomaly, taking or not taking from other ideas as much as they want. It's easy to assume that you should simply composite 682, drawing from all of these takes simultaneously.

Being blunt, that's not how I'm choosing to analyze 682 here.

682 was created by Dr. Gears, and I believe that sticking with what's consistent with his vision of the character would be ideal for a blog such as this. Placeholder McD.’s 6820 was an extension of concepts Gears himself had come up with, so it'll similarly be highlighted. While stories like The Lucky Dinosaur and Hard-to-Reach Place are great tales (seriously, give them a read if you can), they are ultimately too separate from the “primary” depiction of 682 to be reasonably mixed together with the Hard-to-Destroy Reptile.

Able and The Bloom

As I’m sure some readers are likely aware of, there's a feat performed by Able commonly used as a major point of evidence for 682 reaching multiversal stats without resorting to his true form. The feat in question being how in the events of Incident Zero, Able was able to cut the universe spanning petals of the Bloom.

Let's break this down. First of all, what is The Bloom?


It is an artifact that “holds separate universes apart”. A force that ensures the Multiverse doesn't collapse into a single space. In the story, something had made the Bloom start drawing the universes together, slowly ensuring the destruction of all of them.


And then, finally we get to the feat.

“He laughed as he raised his hand above his head. The sword that burst forth stretched from his fingertips all the way to the stars, and beyond. It swallowed up all light that fell upon it, sang of death and the silent tomb, smelled of the void between worlds, devoured light and heat and life and hope…”

“He slashed down, and the blade sliced through the gleaming petals and embedded itself deep into the heart of The Bloom.”

So this is very clearly a multiversal feat, likely Multi+ due to the SCP Multiverse having statements of being infinite in nature. So does 682 scale? Well…


While this is likely arguable as a high-end, it's pretty clear to me that 682 wouldn't scale to the Bloom feat directly. You could likely argue Able being able to swing the sword at all would be immeasurable in speed, which is probably fine.

Tree of Knowledge Scaling?

This… is a little awkward.

A well known feat for 682 involves the tale Dust and Blood by the writer Djoric. The story goes that the children of the Scarlet King, which would include 682, assisted in the King’s war against the Tree of Life, which supported all of creation. A pretty major and important feat for scaling 682 to the entire SCP cosmology, at least the one from Djoric’s tales, right?

In the 31st of January of 2026, Djoric removed Dust and Blood and all of his stories connected to it from the wiki out of extreme frustration and dissatisfaction with the staff of the SCP Wiki. You can read more about it in Djoric’s author page. Out of respect for the author, I will not be using any material related to his take on the Scarlet King. It’s the least I can do.

In regards to the Constant of Termination

The ending of SCP-6820 is intentionally kept a bit vague in regards to what the “Perfection” achieved by 682 actually entails. Main writer Placeholder McD has made a few statements on the matter, however, discussing how he views the SCPverse and the forces that preside over it.

To Placeholder, the entirety of the SCPverse is nothing but a massive simulation on a beyond cosmic scale, featuring absurdly powerful algorithms known as the 13 Constants. These Constants define narrative elements across the entire SCP multiverse, serving as the ultimate Big Bads that the Foundation must one day conquer.

Not all of these Constants have been introduced yet, but we do know some of them. Chaos. Anafabula. And most importantly for now… Termination.


After that?

…Unclear!

To be blunt, relying too much on the Constant would be absurdly reliant on assumptions and pure guesswork. We basically have a single Word of God from a singular author to go off of in a project directly described as a collab-driven anthology. The logical thing to do is to keep it away for now until it one day is explained in more detail in Admonition itself, if ever.

Even outside of that, there are some genuine issues to consider. First of all, 682 clearly requires both 3125 and 055 to “unlock” this true perfection it speaks of. It is not a state that would naturally be entered through natural adaptations, it is entirely reliant on the presence of those two factors, though we'll be considering it regardless.

Beyond that, the Constants described by Placeholder hold command over the entire SCP simulation, which would at the very least encompass the Infosphere, yet 6820-A seems pretty limited to just one timeline, as it leaves the rest of the SCP cosmology completely unaffected and able to learn from Timeline AU-6820’s mistake. Given the sheer hatred it displays at the end of the article, I don't see why it would limit itself to just this one timeline.

While it may have “the form” of Termination, it seems very clear to me that it isn't LITERALLY Termination. It doesn't have the command over SCP's narrative flow it would have otherwise.

For the sake of the debate, we’ll be treating 6820-A itself as 682’s “true” form.

Verdict

Doomsday vs SCP-682. Figuring out a verdict for this was nearly impossible, but I’m glad to report we may have figured this out.

Can Doomsday and 682 even kill each other?

In a physical confrontation, the main things to consider are, of course, Stats and Abilities. When it comes to the former, it sadly isn’t close. Doomsday’s constant battles against Superman and the Justice League give him avenues for scaling that would eclipse every single feat 682 has ever performed. Even its more insane adaptations like becoming planet sized or even universe sized simply can’t compete with the sheer strength Doomsday possesses.

In a best case scenario, we can compare 682 to Able’s feat of destroying the Bloom, a multiversal structure. However, Superman himself has a feat of destroying an entire multiverse with a punch, matching the Able feat while also not being nearly the limit for Doomsday’s strength. Speed is in a similar camp, as Doomsday has been said to be faster than the Flash since his first story arc, which is both consistent across appearances and too much for the Hard-to-Destroy Reptile to really handle.

But there comes a major issue. As strong as Doomsday is, he can’t really take 682 out for good. Punching really hard isn’t ever going to be enough considering 682’s healing and immortality, so does Doomsday have any other way to seal the deal?

Not really. And neither does 682.

Neither of these characters is particularly known for having unique offensive hax powers. They are, first and foremost, focused on Resistances to everything people try to do to them.

Doomsday has energy manipulation, which 682 could adapt to become immune to and fire right back at him.

Doomsday’s Death Field has a myriad of unique effects, and 682 resists every single one of them.

682 doesn’t really have a soul for hellfire to target, the Doomsday Virus would at best not affect it at all or at worst give it an argument for matching stats, you get the idea.

And on the flip side, 682’s total lack of abilities that aren’t based on resisting things means it doesn’t have any real way to get past how absurdly tougher Doomsday is. No physical 682 embodiment has anything that can overcome the Ultimate Life Form.

As such, we have to leave the realm of the physical entirely.

Can 6820-A destroy Doomsday?

6820-A doesn’t do a lot, but we have a decent idea of what it can do, which is primarily reality warping and conceptual absorption/erasure. Are those viable methods of destroying Doomsday once and for all?

Probably not. Attempting to contain or absorb Doomsday on a more esoteric level has made even characters like Martian Manhunter and conceptual environments like Hell get corrupted and forcefully altered into becoming Doomsday, and Darkseid’s Omega Beams completely failed to erase the bastard, even though Darkseid was openly going for the kill and had been able to erase platonic ideatic entities beforehand. 6820-A’s conceptual abilities may look like an instant win, but when you really look at Doomsday’s history, you find that this would be nothing new to him.

However, 6820-A still presents a genuine threat, in that Doomsday in his normal forms has absolutely no chance to destroy it. It’s simply too large of an ideatic construct for him to break through with a punch. So we have to flip this question around.

Can the Time Trapper destroy 6820-A?

The Time Trapper is perhaps the greatest boon Doomsday got in the past few years. It has unmatched chronal might, nearly unrivaled in all of DC, and, most importantly for the sake of this debate, has total access to Entropy. But is that enough?

Entropy in the DC Universe is an overwhelming destructive force that can even cause conceptual erasure to things like Death itself. It can destroy all of time and space, likely being able to affect practically all of DC’s Cosmology if the comparisons to the Anti-Monitor hold weight.

So the question now is simple. Is the wrath of Entropy capable of erasing 6820-A?

…The question was simple, but finding a proper answer wasn’t. We have never seen the Entropy of the Time Trapper directly affect a being on the same level of reality as 6820-A’s Tier IV extranoospheric existence, so we’re left without a proper smoking gun one way or the other. The more likely assumption would be that it can’t destroy 6820-A, but that would again leave us without a solution to this problem. Can they really simply never bring an end to each other?

To solve a question of such ideatic nature, we need an answer that matches it.

Can the King Omega destroy 6820-A?

With his Alpha and Omega energies, Doomsday can ascend and finally reach the same level as 6820-A without a shadow of a doubt, finally evening the playing field. As the King Omega, Doomsday would have the ability to assimilate all surrounding reality and rule over it. But how could that help defeat something like 6820-A?

As a wise woman once said, ideas can be killed. With better ideas.

As a reminder, when the Foundation's Antimemetics Division was faced with a cancerous murderous memeplex (3125), the method to defeating it was to create a countermeme powerful enough to completely obliterate it. There is precedence for an entity that operates on the exact level of 6820-A being folded by the power of love and hope and all of that sappy stuff, so long as the idea is amplified to extra-noospheric levels beforehand, a task which the powers of the King Omega could easily fulfull.

6820-A may be Termination, the fundamental fact that all things must have an ending. But the Alpha Energy that Doomsday was designed to embody represents Rebirth and Life Eternal. These two are forces that exist in complete, ideatic opposition. It’s a simple equation, really.

How do you beat the conceptual certainty of the end?

With new beginnings.

Conclusion

Doomsday

Advantages:
  • Absurdly stronger in physical combat
  • More experienced with fighting enemies with cosmic and abstract levels of power
  • Resists 6820-A’s conceptual abilities such as subsumption and erasure
  • Far more versatile toolkit, especially as the Time Trapper
  • King Omega can eventually overcome 6820-A on an ideatic level
  • Was like the one good part of DC K.O.’s story

Disadvantages:
  • Lacks any method of fully taking out 682 on a physical level
  • 682 resists so much shit it makes his abilities practically worthless
  • The Doomsday Virus could possibly be weaponized to make 682 reach his strength
  • Entropy is unlikely to be enough to take out 6820-A
  • DC K.O. delayed this blog by like 5 months thanks Snyder
  • Milkcow for Crisis Events

SCP-682

  • Adaptation and Regeneration make it impossible to take out on a physical level
  • Resists each and every single ability Doomsday could think to use
  • More intelligent than Doomsday on most scenarios
  • 6820-A exists on too high of a scale for most iterations of Doomsday to be able to reach
  • Would stomp if this was a Rap Battle

Disadvantages:
  • Every single Embodiment would be way too weak to ever cause Doomsday any harm
  • Conceptual abilities would be resisted by Doomsday
  • Lacks any method to truly end Doomsday
  • I had to read selfcest to research this motherfucker
  • Pesterbot victim

Doomsday Votes: O5-1, O5-2, O5-3, O5-4, O5-5, O5-9, O5-11, O5-13.

SCP-682 Votes: O5-7, O5-10.

Abstained: O5-6, O5-8, O5-12.

The motion has passed. As only one of these entities appears to have a method of being permanently eliminated, the result is clear. The winner is Doomsday.

Afterword

And there we have it.

Research on this project started in August of 2025. It was born out of genuine curiosity over what 682 had been actually shown to do and what had come out with Doomsday in the years since the last times he had been covered in any sort of VS project. It feels odd to see this actually be finished, considering how long I’ve been working on it.

Huge props to Loka, of course and to KingCorporeal for giving in his two cents on the verdict. Special thanks to all my friends who have been watching me go insane while reading SCP material for 682 for the past 8 months.

It was fun working on something like this, but I can’t say I’d want to handle a matchup this complex for quite a while, at least not by myself. This was exhausting.

If you’ve actually read all the way here, thank you! It means a lot. Please be respectful in the comments, even if you disagree with my conclusions.

Until we meet again!

Comments

  1. Lackluster research on 682

    Here's a better detailed blog on 682:
    https://fictional-indexing.fandom.com/wiki/SCP-682_(SCP_Foundation)/Gewsbumpz_dude

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  2. " but I can’t say I’d want to handle a matchup this complex for quite a while" buddy...you didn't even cover half of 682, it aint that deep🥀🥀🥀

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  3. Damn, Doomsday beat a nerfed, hardly researched 682. Nice

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  4. I feel like a lot of the time people are way to opposed to a blog just having a different result than what the consensus believes, yes you can have your disagreements but throwing accusations based on purely "I don't like this result" isn't very a good way to handle things. Especially given how a lot of the time it is just the consensus is just kinda wrong (like the idea of just comping 682 or that he's this completely unkillable monster that you CANNOT argue his opponents stand a chance against). Anyways great blog and I agree with the verdict

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    1. Maybe it's just...that lackluster, it doesn't even cover half of 682 history, also this could apply to DC as well, since people remove context of World forger and True Form Darkseid to put characters in Outer

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    2. Ngl this blog was extremely lackluster

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  5. ...also hold up just a second, YOU CALLED 682 ASEXUAL ICON BECAUSE HE HATE LIVE?????? This is...wow just...wow, and I thought G1blog Satsuki Yuri and Saber is shirou mother figure was bad

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  6. This might be every bit as badly argued as Fan Battle's Superman vs Scarlet King.
    You guys claimed that 3125 failed to resist an ability, therefore it should be able to kill 682, despite 3125 and 6820 not being the same entity. You guys also argued that scaling to The Presence is a high-end for Doomsday, and that's just ridiculous.

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  7. Great Blog, I love seeing how matchups change and evolve over time

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  8. This blog is ass.

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  9. Hey, first of all, congratulations to the research team. It was an entertaining blog to read, it got straight to the point, and it wasn't confusing.

    I just have a few questions about the outcome:

    -What do you think about SCP's Boundless Scaling? I see that it wasn't taken into account; was there a reason for that?

    -If 682 can absorb conceptual energies according to the analysis, couldn't it just absorb the alpha and omega energies of Time Trapper Doomsday? In DC KO, he died definitively after that.

    -I'm also not entirely sure about giving Doomsday the ability to transform into King Omega on his own. It's not something we saw him do.

    Beyond that, good reading. I'll keep reading future blogs you publish.

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  10. Yeah NGL you guys really missed a bunch for 682; gave some really weird arguments for Doomsday beating the true form too

    Maybe stick to more simple match ups

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