Doomsday vs SCP-682 | PREDICTION BLOG
The goal of all life is death. - Sigmund Freud
The Ultimate Life Form, Doomsday.
The Hard-to-Destroy Reptile, SCP-682.
Some say that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, but that saying has never been as true as with these two. Fueled by their hatred for all other life forms, these two will not stay dead, no matter what you try, until all else is gone and the end of all things come to pass.
But if they were to stand in each other's way, who would remain? When two immovable objects slam into each other, which would prove to be superior?
Someone should make a blog about that.
Before We Begin…
[Hello! Loka here! The reason I'm talking to you like this is because… this isn't my blog! My only additions to this project was very minor aid with the research and verdict, as well as all the cool graphic design and actually importing it here, but other than that, this was entirely Kris’ project from start to finish. Yes, in spite of that, it's still releasing here on my account. Can't let him have too much freedom, can we?]
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Researching Doomsday is easier than it would look like at a glance. With only around 200 listed appearances in the DC Database and far less actual major storylines, I could easily research every single time Doomsday was ever involved in a comic. His opponent, however, would prove to be much, much harder to deal with.
For 682, I will be prioritizing the main article and the Termination Logs, but I have also taken the opportunity to read through every SCP article in which 682 is tagged, and every tale featuring the Lizard in the main SCP wiki. Those tales will be addressed when relevant, but do keep in mind they will be secondary sources. There will also be a segment Before The Verdict going more into detail on this matter, don't want to make this part longer than it needs to.
Source Citations
- Tooru & Wonder of U VS SCP-096 by Round 1 Fight Blogs
- SCP Cosmology & Terminology Redux by Oblivion of the Endless
- Simon the Digger VS Kyle Rayner by the G1 Team
- DC Comics Cosmology on VS Battles Wiki
Also this is the first and possibly only time I do one of these entirely by myself so please don't be mean to me in the comments thank you
Background
Doomsday
“You don’t get it, Blue. I’m not some bad guy, something you can punch. I’ve always been here, and I’ll always be here. When I’m done with you, and this place, I’ll just move on to the next one. I’m death. And if there’s any truth to existence at all, it is this: Everything dies.”
- Name: The Ultimate
- Born 250,000 years ago. Will exist until The End of Time.
- Height: 7’6” | 2.29 meters
- Weight: 917 lbs | 415 kg
- Likes: Death, Destruction, Pain
- Dislikes: Kryptonians, Life, SUPERMAN
Hundreds of thousands of years ago, the great genius Bertron began his most important experiment. Taking place in one of the most deadly planets in the known universe, he would send out a baby out into the world, where it would die nigh-immediately due to the sheer amount of dangers the planet had to offer. But as Baby died, his remains would be gathered up and used to clone a new body, before said new body was sent out to the danger again.
Bertron believed that this constant cycle would result in a state of rapid evolution, where Baby’s deaths would make it more likely for it to survive longer in its next lives. Eventually, he thought, it would result in a being that would never be able to experience true death ever again. This experiment was a resounding success, but with a cost greater than Bertron could have ever imagined.
Every death, every ounce of pain, the Baby remembered, the cause lingering in its mind permanently. And once it reached the point where it could no longer be killed by the beasts or air of the planet, once it became the Ultimate that Bertron dreamed of making, it found its way back to his maker. To his murderer. The memory of being sent to his death engraved in his genes, the Ultimate grew to hate all life, seeking nothing but to exterminate it entirely. But most of all, he despised Bertron, and all those who lived on the planet he was born in: Krypton.
After slaying his father, the beast wandered the universe, spreading death and destruction everywhere it went, becoming infamous throughout the universe as a bringer of the end of days. But eventually it reached the destination that changed everything. The beast had reached the planet Earth.
Every hero that stood in its path was defeated. Every threat eliminated as the beast laughed maniacally, one of them giving a name that would forever be tied to the beast: Doomsday. But one stood out, one who would refuse to accept defeat at Doomsday’s hands, who would protect all those who stood in its way. Superman, the Last Son of Krypton.
Doomsday could never die, but the Man of Tomorrow rose to face him again and again. No matter the odds, no matter how strong Doomsday became, Superman would find a way to stop him in his tracks. But it is always just temporary. Because Doomsday will return as many times as he needs to bring death to everything that lives.
SCP-682
(Original Artwork by IsisMasshiro)
“They granted me more than I could fathom. Bestowed upon me greater power. Pain became a distant memory, replaced by an unbridled torrent of RAGE. I felt more than vile. I felt more than enraged. I felt more than abhorrent. I felt disgusted.”
- Known as: The Tarasque, Atanti-ql-Paneu, Exile of the Flesh, The Serpent, Termination, Lizzy, that FUCKING LIZARD
- Species: Vaguely Reptilian (Possibly Immortigon)
- Favorite Word: disgusting…
- Assexual Icon
- Likes: 053, 079, Murder
- Dislikes: Existing, Humanity, THE FOUNDATION
The SCP Foundation. A top secret organization dedicated to Securing, Containing and Protecting all things anomalous from interfering with human civilization. They die in the dark so we can live in the light. And yet a single entry on their extensive catalogue stands out. Something the Foundation believes it has to terminate by any means necessary. A Hard-to-Destroy Reptile, codenamed SCP-682.
Almost nothing for sure is known about 682, and between different timelines and the Foundation's multiversal nature, many aspects of what makes it an anomaly vary, but a few things are known for sure, remaining constant throughout all documentation: 682 is a vaguely-reptilian organism. Its origins are unknown, but it is extremely powerful, and can adapt and regenerate from nearly everything that brings it harm. And above all else: 682 despises life in all its forms.
Why that is, and what 682 is, no one knows for sure. Perhaps 682 is a living concept, desperately trying to kill all those who can perceive it in order to return home. Perhaps 682 is the spawn of the Scarlet King, an emissary of evil brought to life in order to destroy all. Perhaps it is a bitter and spiteful God, banished from Paradise for his sins, forced to forever roam the Earth amongst creatures he can't stand.
Or maybe it is just a big immortal evil lizard. I dunno.
But one thing is for sure. As long as the Foundation exists, they'll keep trying to find the solution to this hard to destroy problem. No matter how many tests, no matter how many logs, no matter what inhuman act they have to do, they will kill that lizard one day. And until that day comes, maybe now, maybe a trillion years from now, 682 will remain.
Arsenal
Doomsday
Containment Suit
A suit given to Doomsday by the people of Calaton as part of their burial rituals, with them believing that it would prevent his spirit from escaping in the afterlife. After that, it became synonymous with the character, making appearances whenever Doomsday had just broken out of containment before getting ripped to shreds to reveal the spiky demon underneath. It doesn’t do anything, but it looks really cool!
Green Lantern Ring
After brutally murdering the Green Lantern Zharan, Doomsday took his Lantern ring and waged war against the Corps throughout the cosmos, somehow being able to use the ring intuitively through sheer instinct alone! Of course, he didn’t keep it for long.
SCP-682
Containment Chamber
Did you know? “SCP” also stands for Special Containment Procedures. When you say “SCP-682”, you’re referring to this as much as you are talking about the creature. Just thought that was cool.
SCP-682 is contained within a 5 m x 5 m x 5 m chamber with 25 cm reinforced acid-resistant steel plate lining all inside surfaces, which is then filled with hydrochloric acid until SCP-682 is submerged and incapacitated. Unless it manages to perform a containment breach, or the Foundation removes it from there to perform a Termination Attempt, this is where 682 always resides.
Of course, this doesn’t count as “Arsenal” in the traditional way, but the chamber is pretty important to 682 as an entity. After all, being one of the main things established as a part of its narrative, can you truly say it’s 682 without the acid chamber being there?
SCP-229 “Wire Weed”
In the Game Day Storyline, 682 finds itself combined with SCP-229, granting it all sorts of new abilities. 229 is an entity with the appearance of a mass of cables and wires, feeding off of electricity and attacking anything it spots that emits an electrical signal. When combined with 682, spreading across all cables and wires of the Foundation Site they were in and becoming fully integrated with the electrical network of the site. As long as this fusion remained, anything that could connect through wires became a hazard for all those around it.
SCP-6820
Only applicable to the 682 of Timeline AU-6820
Imagine, if you will, that you are a researcher of the SCP Foundation. A certain anomaly has been giving you and your co-workers endless amounts of trouble, and no attempt at getting rid of it seems to work. However, a Senior Researcher has an idea. If we remove the concept of this anomaly from human consciousness, and nothing alive is capable of understanding it, perhaps it will become possible to destroy it once and for all.
So you get to work, creating a machine capable of accomplishing that. SCP-6820. Project ANTIKILL. Crafted to purge that pesky anomaly once and for all.
In order to achieve this effect, 6820 was crafted with a Central Computing Node fed with all records of the anomaly and the termination attempts at it, capable of perfectly recognizing the concept and overwriting reality to remove it. This is possible thanks to the Placeholder-Gears Ontokinetic Sink, which can read all of the quantum information of the universe and encoding it for the central node to erase the anomaly’s presence from it. And it’s all powered by a Dual-Antifusion Reactor.
It appeared, for a while, that it worked. Not a single member of the Foundation could remember the entity, and as such, it was completely removed from reality. However, they had made one fatal error.
In their attempt to terminate 682, the Foundation merely transformed it into something far more deadly.
Abilities
Doomsday
Ultimate Life Form Physiology
As a result of his constant evolutions, Doomsday’s body is equipped to survive in nearly every scenario possible. He does not need to breathe or eat, and he has no internal organs. His body has minimum fluids, being almost entirely solid, and is nourished by solar energy that can be stored to last for a millennium. He is a being that can survive in nearly any environment and defeat any enemy.
Doomsday’s bony claws can be extended to reach adversaries out of his reach, as well as inflict a poison on those they pierce.
Doomsday possesses enhanced senses, with his eyesight being capable of seeing every single detail of a plane’s construction while it flies miles away from his location.
Doomsday also possesses Kryptonian genetics, which allow him to match fellow kryptonians such as Superman blow for blow and cause him great pain, though that does mean he is vulnerable to kryptonite.
Regeneration
Fitting for an unstoppable being, Doomsday can quickly recover from damage, such as when Superman cut through him with a plasma sword. The Martian Manhunter once described Doomsday’s regenerative ability as allowing him to reconstitute from a scrap of flesh or a single nucleotide. Doomsday will return as long as any part of him remains. However, it goes deeper than that.
The very memory of Doomsday itself is enough to activate his regenerative abilities. Doomsday is capable of living on within memories left behind by his rampages, such as his first ever attack on Metropolis and the death of Superman, and reforming his physical body through any who tap into those specific memories. Even a telepath like Martian Manhunter, one of the absolute greatest of the DC Universe and able to affect beings from the 5th Dimension, could not properly contain and seal off the memory without his body being overtaken.
Evolution
The ability that made Doomsday as infamous as he is today, his never-ending ability to adapt and evolve to nearly all threats. Primarily, this adaptation occurs as a direct result of Doomsday dying in battle, adapting directly to the thing that killed him in the first place and becoming immune to it, but instances of Doomsday evolving without requiring any death to take place have happened in the past, such as when he adapted to Superman’s ultrasonic gun by closing up his auditory canals. Whatever doesn’t kill Doomsday just makes him stronger, and nothing can kill Doomsday.
Doomsday has gained a wide array of unique powers and resistances entirely through this evolutionary process, making him more and more complicated to deal with every time he shows up. Some minor examples include
- Using a flaming breath to damage Martian Manhunter
- Bypassing Martian Manhunter’s phasing ability
- Becoming completely undetectable by sensors made by Green Lantern (specifically infrared, ultrasound and anti-seismic)
Energy Manipulation
After failing to kill the Radiant due to him being made entirely of energy, Doomsday evolved into being able to manipulate and alter energy himself, disrupting energy attacks and even absorbing it to power himself, like he did against one of the Guardians of the Universe.
Cyborg Doomsday
Note: This power was demonstrated by a Doomsday clone. There are no major noted differences between the original Doomsday and these clones, so it’s viable as something he COULD adapt to have.
During a fight against Hank Henshaw, the Cyborg Superman, most of Doomsday’s body was destroyed, triggering an evolution. Gaining Henshaw’s technopathy, he could replace all of the destroyed parts of his body with mechanical pieces, as well as completely take control of the Justice League’s Watchtower. Like the Cyborg, Doomsday can assimilate anything mechanical as well as shift said mechanical parts into anything he desires.
Tactile Telekinesis
Note: This power was demonstrated by a Doomsday clone. There are no major noted differences between the original Doomsday and these clones, so it’s viable as something he COULD adapt to have.
During a fight against Superboy, Doomsday adapted in order to gain access to his Tactile Telekinesis, a telekinetic force field surrounding his body at all times that allows him to mimic Superman’s strength, fly, unleash powerful psionic blasts and disassemble any objects he touches. Superboy even points out that Doomsday’s TTK is leagues stronger than his own.
Phantom Zone Portals
After being trapped in the Phantom Zone for a while, Doomsday gained the ability to generate portals that allow him to teleport around to wherever he wants to. He has even done so to teleport from the surface of Venus back to Earth.
Death Field
After breaking free from the Phantom Zone and evolving inside of a cocoon, Doomsday developed a strange “Death Field” that surrounds it at all times. Fighter jets that dare to be even remotely near Doomsday will stop functioning and fall apart as their energy is drained then and there. It can make oceans boil, sand transform into black onyx, make humans spontaneously combust, and make the brick and stone of buildings completely lose their molecular cohesion, falling apart. Steel needed to cover himself head to toe with organic steel just to stop the cellular degeneration. After being transformed into Doomsday, Superman noted that the field was killing every single one of the millions of insects, protozoa and microbes around him.
Lex Luthor believes that the true purpose of the Death Field is to allow Doomsday to absorb life force, drawing it from its surroundings and taking it all for itself as it grows stronger. Superman also showed that it wasn’t exclusively a field, as he could control the Death Mists and their movements in the form of projectile attacks to reach things that would be outside of the Field’s radius.
Doomsday Virus
A trick from the New 52 continuity, Doomsday’s body can release a massive amount of spores that can quickly infect other living beings. In the majority of people, this infection leads to certain death, even to someone as tough as Wonder Woman. But when it affects someone like Superman, something else happens.
The spores start to transform one’s body into an exact replica of Doomsday, shifting them and increasing their strength to the point where they become unrecognizable. Save for throwing your entire body into the heart of a star to burn it away, there is no known method to fully remove the virus. While the transformation can be held back by one’s force of will, the Virus also manifests a version of Doomsday within your very mind, constantly fighting until it takes full control. Inevitably, you will become Doomsday.
Hellfire
After his adventures in Hell, Doomsday became able to use hellfire, which is hotter than any fire in the human world, to the point where it is capable of scourging souls.
Conceptual Corruption
And the idea of Doomsday being present within its circles was enough to corrupt it and make it worse, spreading across Hell and creating Doomsday beasts from its soil.
The Time Trapper
After hundreds and thousands of evolutions gone by, Doomsday ascended into his current and most powerful state yet, the Time Trapper, an enemy that Superman had faced many times in the past. As the Time Trapper, he is able to travel through time and stop it in place for everyone except ones he chooses to talk to. He has also been shown to be capable of creating entire pocket timelines located on the outside of the Multiverse. It has even been shown that attacks aimed towards the Time Trapper will result in an automatic defense, with time itself forcing all aging matter to rapidly decay all around Doomsday, even being able to affect Wally West in such a way.
Past incarnations of the Trapper have demonstrated even more powers through their chronal energy. From simple tricks such as surrounding himself with an Indestructible Time Field to claiming to be able to erase memories to feats as absurd as being able to remove the universe away from a small moment in time so it can be used as a Parallel Universe, and slay all life from said Universe except those necessary for the Trapper's plans, it is clear that the Time Trapper's mastery of time itself is unmatched.
But Doomsday having the mantle of the Time Trapper means more than that.
The Time Trapper is the living embodiment of Entropy in the DC Universe, a fact that Doomsday claims also applies to himself. The Entropy at the End of Time could kill the Black Flash, as it makes death itself cease to be on a conceptual level. It is said to be able to destroy “everything”, and during the Zero Hour event, it was going to be used to completely destroy DC’s timestream, with even the New Gods acknowledging that it would bring about the end of “everything that ever was, and ever shall be”, which has vast cosmological implications hailing from a New God. Additionally, the Zero Hour event was comparable to the Anti-Monitor's Crisis on Infinite Earths (with Hal calling Entropy the most destructive force in existence even with the Crisis in mind), which left cracks in the Source Wall.
Absolute Champion / King Omega
When Doomsday first appeared as the Time Trapper, he claimed that if he were to evolve just one more time he would ascend into a state of divinity, ruling over all of existence. We technically never get to see it happen directly, but the end of DC K.O. gave us a good idea.
Doomsday possesses within his body both Omega Energy and Alpha Energy, the most primal forces in all of reality. Omega is the force of pure destruction and Entropy. It is evil incarnate, and directly tied to Darkseid and Apokolips. The Alpha, on the other hand, is the utmost form of Creation, wild, explosive and chaotic.
With these two opposing forces combined, one could essentially become a living universe, containing an entire reality inside them, and take the position of King Omega.
The King Omega is completely omnipresent, and everything near them becomes a part of them. All magic, all godliness, all the wonders of the cosmos are assimilated and made into part of him. It was said by the World Forger that, if it weren't for the main Universe being sealed off from the rest of the Multiverse, Darkseid's Omega Energy would have ravaged all of existence.
Superman even displayed the ability to make the Big Bang itself a part of him. All matter, all possibilities. Enough to match and even defeat Darkseid at his strongest.
Resistances
- Sound Manipulation: Became immune to sonic attacks by closing his auditory canals.
- Atomic Deconstruction: Was unaffected by the self destruction of one of the Guardians of the Universe. When a Guardian dies, those near them are removed from the universe atom by atom.
- Existence Erasure: Was blasted directly by Darkseid’s Omega Beams, which leave no life, no death, no trace of previous existence where they strike. They can even erase New Gods, which are living ideas from a platonic, archetypal world, yet could not erase Doomsday.
- Mind Manipulation: His mind cannot be read by telepaths, as he has no thoughts but destruction. Attempting to take over his mind similarly fails, as Doomsday will continuously fight back until he regains control of it.
- Soul Manipulation: Deadman cannot possess Doomsday’s soul, because there’s nothing there.
SCP-682
Anomalous Physiology
In the words of the Foundation itself, 682 is a “vaguely-reptilian” creature of unknown origins. Its body can change in size and shape, typically doing so as it consumes or sheds material. It can also gain energy from anything it consumes, regardless of its properties, allowing it to constantly consume surrounding matter if it finds doing so necessary for survival. It also possesses filtering gills that can remove usable matter from liquid solutions, giving it more to consume. That's about all we can gather from the original article.
The Tale History Lesson suggests that the rate of cell generation, growth, repair and replacement in 682's body is 750% faster than that of a human. A file from the Serpent's Hand, titled Summer's Exile, claims that 682 changes its shape in direct response to outside stimuli, and gains power in direct proportion to what is exerted upon it. The files from the Shark Punching Centre (SCP-682) report that its body can adapt to nearly any known environment.
Cognitohazard
The goal of the Foundation is to secure, contain and protect. They never aim to actively destroy the anomalous if they can simply place them in boxes and store them away. And yet, in spite of 682 being very easily contained by its chamber, the Foundation believes it must be destroyed as soon as possible. But… Why?
Knowledge of SCP-682’s very existence is what is known as a Cognitohazard. Once more looking into the Shark Punching Center's files, it has been analyzed that 97% of those who learn about its existence in any way will begin to actively desire its destruction, no matter how indestructible it may seem. As long as one is aware of 682, they will wish to destroy 682.
This is a consistent aspect of the Lizard across canons. It is a major part of SCP-6820 and brought up as a part of its curse in Fourteen Thirteen of the Pitch Haven canon, and is discussed less directly in plenty of other tales.
Regeneration
The main reason it is so hard to destroy. In the original article, it was said that 682 could continue moving after 87% of its body was destroyed, and that it could regenerate from 62% of its body being crystallized and exploded. But in added material, it's clear that 682's healing is far greater. The Shark Punching Centre believed that 682 could regenerate from a single intact cell and in the Termination Logs, it has managed to fully restore itself after all that was left of it were traces of residual blood, and regenerated from the destruction of its genetic material. Even when it was seemingly completely wiped out, it managed to regenerate because of Atoms, dipshit. It would appear that as long as any physical piece of 682 remains, no matter how small or insignificant, it can completely restore itself from it.
Immortality
Some Tales play with the idea of 682 being more than just hard to kill.
In tales in which 682 has a more biblical origin, such as the Pitch Haven Canon, 682 is the Serpent who tempted humanity, cursed to eternally walk the Earth and never die as a punishment for causing the original sin. This biblical origin is supported by the Termination Logs, where 682 compares its immortality to a curse for “suggesting the fruit.”
Other tales believe slightly different explanations for this complete unkillability. In Reptilius, Plato (yes, that Plato) believes that 682 is an inhabitant of the conceptual World of Forms, and that as long as there are beings in our world capable of perceiving it, it will remain shackled to this mortal plane.
In Eater of Souls, Dr Gears writes that 682 is a being from outside of existence forced to remain in our world whenever a culture is doomed to disappear from the Collective Unconscious. This is why no society before the Foundation was created left any records of 682's existence, they were fated to disappear the moment he manifested to begin with.
While these are all merely interpretations of an unsolvable problem, the general thought process is the same in all of them. 682 is intrinsically tied to humanity and the Earth. As long as we exist, it will as well. Perhaps that is why the Foundation cannot end it for good. As much as some of them would try to deny it, they are still human.
Adaptation
682’s main claim to fame. 682’s body is malleable to a ridiculous degree, and it can freely adapt to any threat that comes to it. Some have come as far as to call it a shapeshifter or a being with ontokinetic properties as explanations behind this absurd level of adaptability, gaining power in direct proportion to the power exerted upon it. When these adaptations are no longer useful to it, it changes right back to its usual state.
Some notable examples of 682 adapting its body include:
- Growing eyes to protect itself from SCP-173
- Creating a carapace of pure helium to protect from high temperatures
- Massively increasing the heat released by it to counter being frozen by nitrogen
- Resisting the radiation poisoning from eating 9.15 kg of bananas, firing atomic breaths afterwards
- Increasing the distance between its own particles to undo molecular bonding
- Giving itself thaumaturgical symbols to counteract other thaumaturgical inscriptions
- Removing its own lungs
- Removing its own brain activity
- Making itself flatter than a penny
- Transforming tumorous cells into smaller 682s
Anomalous Redirection
An odd subset of 682’s adaptations to the many things the Foundation threw at it is its ability to redirect the effects of anomalies towards those around it. Be it by redirecting mental ailments, transforming those around it into shadows, or even simple energy effects like electricity, they can be turned back towards the attacker by 682.
It’s stated by researcher Dr. Carly that while 682 can redirect mental and energy effects, doing so leaves it immobile for much longer than when it adapts to physical damage, an interesting weakness to keep in mind.
6820-A
The creator of the 682 article, Dr. Gears always believed that the 682 entity wasn’t something that belonged in our world. It was something from outside the webwork of our reality, trapped in a world where everything seemed tailor made to torture it. The reason why it was impossible to terminate it was because it was never really there. This idea made itself present in the Incident in which 682 fought against 076. It’s projecting into our reality, not being truly present. This idea remained relatively unexplored for a long while, more of a suggestion than anything directly present in most stories.
But it was Placeholder McDoctorate PhD (Yes, that is his actual name) who changed everything forever by diving into this concept further.
In Placeholder’s iconic 6820 article, he posits that 682 is an embodiment. A physical manifestation of a concept, molded into carrying all traits one would associate with that idea. If there are no minds that can comprehend a concept, an embodiment is “broken” and starts to follow natural law. So to truly destroy 682, they had to understand this concept.
6820-A is the designation given to this concept. It is an extremely dense idea, to the point of being considered a memeplex (meaning it can contain smaller concepts within it.) The article describes it as “an extremely precise and accurate description of what it means for any arrangement of particles to be defined as "alive" and, complementarily, as "dead" or "inanimate".” The very definitions of being alive or dead are what make up 682, among other smaller concepts such as “the physical properties of hatred” “the quality of adaptiveness” “the state of being vaguely-reptilian”
However, an important weakness should be noted here. It is explained in the Antimemetics Division storyline that extra-noospheric memeplexes like 6820-A or the similar entity 3125 can be defeated if they are confronted by an idea even stronger than them, with the story culminating in 3125 being defeated by the idea of Life itself enhanced to extreme proportions.
“Perfect” State
At the end of 6820, 682 claimed that its form was still incomplete. That it was still not in its original form, and that its perfection had been locked away. But as the Foundation attempted to stop it, that true form was unlocked. So let's fix some of that stuff from earlier, shall we?
682 is a “vaguely-reptilian” creature of unknown origins. Its body can change in size and shape, typically doing so as it consumes or sheds reality. It can also gain energy from anything it subsumes, physical or conceptual. It also possesses invariability that can remove survival from liquid solutions, giving it more to consume.
This state of 682 is kept vague to a degree, which will be addressed Before the Verdicts. However, there are two things we can pinpoint here. In the discussion tab for 6820, a commenter theorized that 682 had become so incompatible with reality that it formed its own Noösphere, which the author of the article supported. In a later article of the same canon, it was said that the actions of this Foundation precipitated the enhanced ascension of a Tier-IV Cosmological Anomaly known as TERMINATION.
Resistances
Strap the fuck in.
- Battlefield Removal: There are dozens upon dozens of instances of 682 being sent to an extradimensional realm or some other universe as an attempt to get rid of it. It never works. Summer’s Exile directly states that 682 cannot be banished to another non-Earth plane, and it shows.
- Power Nullification: Appears to be immune to effects such as “The Hunt”, in which members of the Hunting Club can bypass anomalous properties and shoot down anomalies with regular guns.
- Mind Manipulation: Has been shown to resist or redirect the effects of mental alterations on multiple occasions. See Termination Logs SCP-061, SCP-3519 and SCP-6936 for examples.
- Plot Manipulation: If a story with anomalous plot-related effects is used with the intent of killing 682, it will be directly altered to ensure that 682 does not die in the story. See Termination Logs SCP-826, SCP-3922 and SCP-423 for examples.
- Acausality: Unlike the dancing shadows that are humans, 682’s past is real and cannot be altered.
- Infections: Out of all infectious anomalies tested on 682, it is immune to all of them.
- Cellular Destruction: Completely immune to the effects of SCP-734, which makes cells lose all cohesion and tissue flake away. Is able to slow down the cellular destruction caused by SCP-7911, but never said to be able to directly stop it other than the anomalous effects ceasing.
- Atomic Destruction: Resisted having its atoms unbound at the quantic level by SCP-001-THE-CHILDREN
- Paralysis: Powers through the paralysis induced by SCP-ES-045
- Size Manipulation: Became immune to the shrinking effects of SCP-4780
- Transmutation: 682 has, on multiple occasions, been transmuted into something else. A housecat, a leopard gecko and a patch of grass. It managed to restore its normal form on all of these occasions.
- Assimilation: 682 can counter attempts at assimilation with its own absorption abilities.
- Life Draining: 682 had its Elan Vital Energy drained by SCP-3477-31, but it adapted to it, forcing 3477-31 to suffer the effects and restoring its own body.
- Rapid Aging: Attempting to extremely age up a piece of 682 tissue to the point of decay instead resulted in the tissue becoming immune to methods that would have damaged it otherwise.
- Death Inducement: Anomalies capable of causing instantaneous death seem to lack major effects in 682, leading to the possibility of it not being “alive” in a traditional sense.
- Existence Erasure: Attempting to erase 682 from baseline reality basically never ever works. The closest example to working, the deletion effect of SCP-6183, which seems to operate at a conceptual level, had temporary success until the beast which endures overwrote another anomaly and took its place in reality.
Feats
Doomsday
Overall
- Killed Superman
- Fabled throughout the cosmos as a legendary bringer of death
- Made Darkseid feel fear for the first time in his life
- Slaughtered hundreds of Green Lanterns and almost wiped out their Corps
- In an erased timeline, took the position of Superman, becoming a hero.
- Broke out of both the Phantom Zone and Hell itself.
- Sacrificed himself, giving Superman the strength to defeat the King Omega.
Strength
- Punches trees so hard they explode
- Destroys Blue Beetle’s Scarab Ship
- His punches were registered in seismographs all over America
- Superman claims that he could tear the planet apart
- Broke Wonder Woman’s arms
- His punches broke the Phantom Zone, destabilizing it and creating rifts that would have eventually made it fall apart
- Him and Superman clashing blew up the cheese moon of Bizarroworld
- Broke the doorway out of Hell, which had been fortified with the bodies of dozens of sinners
Speed
- Moves ten miles in a single leap
- Moves faster than Guy Gardner can even see
- Booster Gold says he is faster than the Flash
- Hit Martian Manhunter so fast he wasn’t able to activate his phasing
- Moved halfway across the moon in a short period of time
- Catches Martian Manhunter mid-flight
Durability
- Gets punched by Superman a lot, like… A LOT
- Barely inconvenienced by getting hit by a missile
- The Justice League unite all of their power into a combined concentrated energy blast to defeat Doomsday. It does not work.
- Withstands an explosion with a force equal to a million nuclear blasts
- Survives a blast capable of wiping out a fifth of a planet
- Survives being blasted by Orion’s Astro Force
- Superman punches him with a 4035 times combo and he is fine
- Hell’s rivers of hellfire do absolutely nothing to him goddamn
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Overall
- [Attempt Successful] Survived 14,509 termination attempts by the Foundation.
- [
FourteenThirteen] Tempted humanity with the Fruit of Knowledge. - [The Warrior and The Dragon] Gave Able the greatest fight he had in ages.
- Slaughtered hundreds of Mobile Task Force members and breached Foundation containment dozens of times.
- [The Inevitable End of All But Me] In one timeline, survived for trillions of years after the end of humanity, keeping records of all stars in the sky and becoming known throughout the cosmos as “the Starkeeper”
- [Summer's Exile] Somehow managed to escape from even the Ravelwoods.
- [SCP-6820] Reclaimed its rightful perfection and made its own Noösphere
Strength
- [Lord Blackwood and the Great Tarrasque Hunt] Can destroy buildings and ravage towns
- [Lord Blackwood and the Great Tarrasque Hunt] Beat the shit out of Able so hard he was missing an arm, half a leg, an eye, and the better part of his brain
- Dissipated the SCP-2617-C nimbus cloud
- Responsible for the 2011 Tohoku Earthquake and Tsunami, a Magnitude 9 earthquake (9.3 Teratons)
- Launched SCP-339 to a village fifty four kilometers away from the Site they were in
- A collision between 682 and 1233 was comparable to a small nuclear bomb
- Simulated to be capable of growing to the size of Saturn and destroy many of the Solar System’s planets
- [The Thing That Hates] Grows large enough to fully consume entire galaxies
Speed
- [Basking In The Light] 682's movements are compared to the flash of a camera or a bolt of lightning
- [Endlessly Adapting Lizard] Stated to be able to dodge bullets
- Grew wings and flew from the sun to Earth in about 21 days (Mach 238.517)
- Can regenerate its body at faster than light speeds.
- 682 can generate sonic booms and match speeds near 40,000 km/h (Mach 32.8)
- [The Thing That Hates] Capable of movement after becoming large enough to stretch across all of space
Durability
- Survived the Foundation dropping a Bösendorfer Model 290 Imperial Piano on it
- Survived an explosion caused by the Demon Core
- Pretty much completely fine having its spine ripped off
- Survived being crushed by $43,811,769.75 in 25-cent coins
- Was simulated to be able to survive the simultaneous detonation of over 20 billion Tsar Bombas… by 0.03 milliliters of blood.
- Survived being warped into a neutron star for long enough to absorb its matter and regenerate
- Survived being in a timeline as it was destroyed
- [Addressing the Second] While fused with the Possessive Mask, believes it would outlast every other SCP in combat
Scaling
Doomsday
Superman
Hey, the storyline isn't called “the survival of Superman”. Doomsday has fought the Man of Tomorrow several times, with Superman even to this very day claiming that he has never faced off against an enemy that pushed him quite like Doomsday does. As such, he's comparable to pretty much everything that the Man of Steel has accomplished.
- Shattered chains forged from Kerenthium steel, the strongest metal in the universe used to haul stars
- His SUPER SNEEZE is DESTROYING THE SOLAR SYSTEM
- Superman BURSTS through the bonds of INFINITY
- Superman punches so hard that the Phantom Zone trembles under the weight of his blows
- A fight between Superman and Golden Age Superman shatters the boundaries of time and space
- Sundipped Superman can one-shot The World Forger and destroy his multiverse
- Survived an explosion worth 50 Keplar Supernovas
- Withstood blasts from Gog’s staff, which was said to hold “the emerald energy of the Guardians of the Universe, the cosmic power of The Source and the magical might of Shazam and Zeus combined”
Green Lantern Corps
In his earliest days, Doomsday fought off hundreds of Corpsmen without any issue and stood on even ground against one of the Guardians of the Universe, who are much greater at using the power of the Emotional Spectrum than the vast majority of Lanterns. Pretty clear cut scaling.
- Creating a universe is part of the training all Lanterns go through
- Hal Jordan can travel through the universe’s transluminal pathways at speeds incalculable
- Hal Jordan can draw power from all Power Batteries across the Multiverse
- John Stewart recreated an entire solar system
- In just 3 days, Jessica Cruz and Simon Baz reached the edge of the universe
- Kyle Rayner could briefly contain the energy of Oa’s Central Power Battery and the Power Cosmic, the former of which Thanos planned to use for complete universal destruction so thorough that Death’s realm would be the only thing left.
- Ganthet of the Guardians of the Universe is a member of the Quintessence, standing on equal footing with Highfather of New Genesis and the Phantom Stranger, and above the Spectre.
- The Guardians have fought against the Anti-Monitor, a being of enough might to create multiverse destroying Anti-Matter Waves, shatter reality and crack the Source Wall
- When amped by the Godstorm John Stewart became an ascended being who could tap into the Source. The Guardians of the Universe are similarly ascended.
The Justice League of America
Nearly every single time the Justice League has teamed up against Doomsday, it ended with the majority of them being completely overpowered and taken out of the fight completely. Doomsday should easily scale to the majority of Leaguers out there.
- Wonder Woman blocked trillions of godshards from the Shattered God as seen in Death Battle
- Wonder Woman destroyed the Chronus Scepter containing the Godwave, which could cause destruction up to the Source
- Barry and Wally nearly tore the Multiverse apart in their awesome race
- Wally outsped teleportation
- The Martian Manhunter can spread his telepathy across Earth within the span of Planck time
- Orion contained the Oblivion Bomb, which threatened to annihilate the universe
- Orion flew from New Genesis to Earth in a heartbeat
- Plastic Man restrains Darkseid holy shit
Darkseid
Doomsday has fought Darkseid a couple of times and utterly embarassed the guy to the point of leaving him completely fucking terrified. While it's debatable whether or not he fought the “true” Darkseid, their fight taking place in Apokolips and all, it's likely that as the Time Trapper, Doomsday could scale to the true forms of New Gods regardless.
- New Gods can casually create universes through meditation
- Darkseid and Highfather can fly at unthinkable speeds
- Alan Scott using the full power of The Green across the Multiverse was still not enough to defeat Darkseid
- Black Mary Marvel, who held the combined power of Zatanna, Black Adam, The Wizard and Klarion the Witch-Boy, failed to cause significant harm to Darkseid
- Darkseid was said to be able to bring about the end of existence after defeating Highfather in battle
- Darkseid’s fall in Final Crisis damaged not only the Orrery of Worlds, but rippled all the way to the Monitor Sphere
- In his pursuit of the Spectre, Darkseid fought the armies of Heaven and Hell by himself, as well as Eclipso, non-stop without taking any sort of break or rest in between.
- Took down the World Forger with a single blast of his Omega Beams
- The Forger is one of the Monitor Brothers, responsible for crafting all of Hypertime and one of the few entities that dwell in the Sixth Dimension.
The Presence
READ BEFORE THE VERDICTS READ BEFORE THE VERDICTS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD READ BEFORE THE VERDICTS
The Light of Creation. The Source of All Things. God. The one true Supreme Being of the DC Mythos.<>There's a non-zero chance that Doomsday could throw hands with Him, as he has overcome equipment designed specifically for confrontation with The Presence. More elaboration Before The Verdicts
- Is Yahweh, God himself, the father of Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos and undisputed Creator of at the very least the cosmology from Vertigo Comics.
- Is the embodiment of the entirety of DC'S Greater Omniverse existing outside of the Multiverse.
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The Foundation
Secure. Contain. Protect. Such is the motto of the Foundation, and they have access to tons of weaponry and other gadgets to ensure they live up to it. And absolutely none of it can kill this damned lizard.
- The Foundation has access to P-500 Bazalt missiles, which have a blast yield of 350 Kilotons of TNT
- The Foundation has access to 30 Megaton Thermonuclear Bombs, which they refused to use on 682 simply out of fear of it adapting to nukes
- Every Foundation site possesses a nuclear warhead to be detonated in the case of absolute emergency.
SCP-076-2 Able
(Artwork by SunnyClockwork)
Their rivalry is legendary. Their fame, unmatched. 682 and Able have traded blows several times, dealing massive amounts of damage to each other on one such occasion (an event written down by both of their original authors, Dr. Gears and Kain Pathos Crow), so it’s clear that 682 is in the same weight class as Able.
- [SCP-076] [The Flower of Battle] Consistently portrayed as far faster than gunfire, capable of swatting bullets out of the air.
- [The Warrior and the Clown] Able punched through three cubits of pure titanium, withstood being electrocuted by 20,000 volts of electricity, and then punched through five titanium blast doors
- [Incident Zero Part 5] Killed the Bloom, transforming it into the Thorn and rewriting the very universe (See Before the Verdicts)
SCP-8005
(Is assistance in this blog a hamburger-acquisition vector?)
(Artwork by daveyoufool)
Hammie gets his own scaling section because I LIKE HIM FUCK YOU
Created by the Foundation itself, SCP-8005 The Fool is Hammie, a nearly indestructible robot with infinite energy with one simple prime directive: to find and touch a hamburger. Until this is done, it will never deactivate.
The reason for this scaling segment being here is quite simple. The metal composing Hammie's body was made out of 682's own. Anything Hammie can do, 682 could also accomplish.
- [SCP-8005] Can fly at 140 meters per second.
- [SCP-8005] Adapted to and killed THE GREAT BØYG.
- [Debhida Eulalie O’Foolbert’s Proposal] Fought against Treefucker, the Seneschal of the Scarlet King. He lost though.
- The Seneschal was powerful enough to “parry” a shot from orbital eigenweapon Project Bogatyr, leaving a visible crack on the moon.
Other SCP Entities
May I introduce you to the world’s most decorated zoo~
(096 and 173 artwork from SCP Secret Laboratory)
Among the many many attempts to kill 682 once and for all, the Foundation threw a ton of Scips at the damn thing, and it stayed alive to this very day.
SCP-173 - The Sculpture
- [Conclusions RE: D-173-2263 Incident] Can move 10 cm in 0.00001 seconds.
- [The Original] Can cross entire continents in mere minutes.
- [This Is How The World Ends] Facetanked the end of the Multiverse (Debatable)
SCP-096 - Shy Guy
- [Incident 096-1-A] Somehow has fast enough perception to outspeed a device that alters images before light can fully reach the human eye.
- [In my eyes, indisposed. In disguises no one knows. Hides the face, lies the snake. The sun in my disgrace] Flew from the Earth to the Sun in a single leap, with the strength to level a city block.
- Made the Sun start moving towards the Earth… somehow.
SCP-1233 - Moon Champion
- Can withstand small-arms fire, anti-tank munitions, landmines, white phosphorus munitions, and total submersion in magma
- Its jetpack can reach Mach 32.8 speeds
- [Arm-ageddon] Shattered (hatched?) a massive meteor with a punch (12 Teratons of TNT)
- [Arm-ageddon] Pushed back a fireball compared to a “miniature blue star”
SCP-3125
(Artwork by SunnyClockwork)
In SCP-6820, 6820-A assimilates 3125 after finding it in a weakened state. While never directly encountering 3125 at its prime, both entities share enough of the same properties (Beings from beyond the Noosphere, aspects of Constants, fundamental parts of SCPverse narratives) to assume they could achieve similar feats.
- [SCP-3125] 3125 is a meme complex from outside the Human Noosphere, considered to be Θ'-dimensional in nature.
- [Your Last First Day] “SCP-3125 is a five-dimensional anomalous metastasized mass of bad memes and bad antimemes and everything in between, seeping through to our physical reality.”
- [Wild Light] Foundation researchers believe 3125 to be an omniversal level threat. Threatening neighboring realities, microverses within their macroverse and universes which embed their own as fiction.
- According to a reddit comment by Placeholder, 3125 has the same size as the Noosphere
Cosmology
Doomsday
DC’s cosmology. You know it, you love it, Morrison's multiverse map probably haunts our nightmares. Let's keep this brief.
At a base level we have the Orrery of Worlds. It is, essentially, the Multiverse! The number of universes has varied a lot over the years, but as of the release of this blog we have gone back to having Infinite Earths. Spatial Dimensions are a tricky subject when it comes to DC, there's a large variety of arguments that can be made, but 12.3 Dimensions or 26 Dimensions seem to be the most solid takeaways. All of these dimensions are contained within The Bleed, the Bulk that keeps them all apart and encompasses them.
This, of course, is merely the material universe. Our next stop is the Sphere of the Gods, existing completely outside of corporeal reality. It encompasses various realms built on belief, faith and thought, directly connected to humanity's Collective Unconscious. There's some debate over whether or not the Sphere properly qualifies as Outerversal, but most agree it is at the very least Low Outer. It is important to note that the Collective Unconscious has arguments that would greatly increase its scope due to regions like the Dreaming, but I won't be getting into that here.
Above the Godsphere we have the Monitor Sphere. It is directly described as a “fundamental world with primal forms”. Its beings exist beyond DC’s narratives, beyond all stories.
All of this comes together to form what we know as the DC Omniverse, the “space” part of DC's space-time. This Omniverse exists alongside Hypertime, which governs every single one of DC's infinite timelines.
Beyond THAT is the Sixth Dimension. We know this because Hypertime was handcrafted by the World Forger, who lives in the Sixth Dimension. It is described as the “control room” of the Multiverse and envelops its entire structure.
And finally, we reach the Source Wall. The Wall is probably the single least consistent thing I've talked about in the entire segment, but it separates the DC Cosmology from the Greater Omniverse and the infinite different Creations out there.
And of course, The Source itself is above absolutely everything. Everything we've mentioned so far is nothing but a dream of the Source.
Let's sum this up.
- Orrery of Worlds: Infinite Multiverse. Unclear Spatial Dimensions, likely 11 or 26.
- Sphere of the Gods/Collective Unconscious: Completely beyond physical reality. Low Outerversal at minimum, possibly much higher.
- Monitor Sphere: Transcends the Sphere of the Gods
- Hypertime: All of time, covering all previous areas
- Sixth Dimension: Transcends Hypertime
- The Source: Transcends literally everything ever
So where does Doomsday fit in all of this?
In his regular forms, Doomsday was already so powerful he could affect entire structures of the Sphere of the Gods (Phantom Zone, Hell), although never the complete sphere. With his role as the Time Trapper, he gains access to destructive energy on par with the Crisis on Infinite Earths, which cracked the Source Wall. And of course, the state of King Omega can ravage “all of existence”, which would go up to at least the Sixth Dimension.
Plus, from scaling to characters like Superman and The Guardians, he'd be comparable to even energy straight from the Source.
If you know how sites like VS Battles Wiki handle DC's Cosmology, it should be clear this explanation exclusively focuses on what they refer to as the “Crisis Cosmology”, the works made by Grant Morrison and Scott Snyder. Truthfully you could probably say stuff like the fucking Yahweh scaling would justify some scaling from those other cosmologies which would get him a lot higher from what I can tell, but I wanted to keep this segment brief.
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(Artwork by SunnyClockwork)
You may have noticed earlier the mention of a “Tier IV” entity earlier in 682’s abilities. I believe it’s about time we properly convey what that means.
The cosmology we'll be tackling for SCP (there are various takes on this but this one is most consistent with 6820 trust me on that one) is the one established in SCP-4755.
Tier Null: Physical Reality
Tier Null is simple. It is the baseline reality that all physical matter exists in. This, of course, includes the Multiverse.
Many sources claim the SCP Multiverse is truly infinite, possessing infinite realities and timelines to explore. The topic of spatial dimensions is a bit trickier; we know that there are at least six from SCP-2634, and a quote from the Acidverse Hub describes the existence of “uncountably infinite expanses in uncountably infinite dimensions”. It's very likely for the Multiverse to have infinite spatial dimensions, even if there's not as much proof as I'd truly like.
TIERS I, II AND III - THE NOÖSPHERE
Fundamental for understanding the next three tiers is the Noösphere. So what exactly is it? Well, the article for SCP-6659 (Written by DodoDevil, Placeholder McD, Liryn for the ADMONITION canon) explains it quite well, describing it as “the set of all ideas humans are capable of conceptualizing.”
Think of something. Anything. Boom, that thought is now a part of the Noösphere. This applies to every single thing humans can understand, directly said to include all hyper-dimensional objects. It's compared on many occasions to Plato's World of Forms, though that comparison isn't entirely accurate, an issue ironically shared with DC, the more you know.
Specific concepts are placed in separate tiers in the Hierarchy. Every time you ascend from one tier to the next, it gets a little harder.
All of these would in theory be a part of the Noösphere, implying that its structure is layered in nature.
Tier-IV: ANTI-NOÖSPHERIC
As for any concepts and ideas that humans are physically unable to conceive? Oh don’t worry, they make up Tier IV. The Anti-Noösphere exists a tier above even the embodiments of pure abstract concepts, completely beyond the scope of the regular Noosphere. Infuriatingly, it is sometimes referred to by the term “Infosphere”, which is a whole other thing that 682 is not being scaled to, but important to keep in mind.
This Anti-Noösphere beyond thought is absolutely massive, containing entities so impossibly “large” that their “size” can only be measured through higher and higher sets of infinity. The full scope of the Anti-Noösphere is absurd, and it has been described as eclipsing and nestling the Noösphere within it.
…Well, that was a bit complex. Let’s simplify that a tad:
- Tier Null: Physical reality. Infinite Multiverse with uncountable Spatial Dimensions
- Tier I: Low Outerversal at minimum, possibly much higher
- Tier II: 1 Layer above Tier I
- Tier III: 2 Layers above Tier I
- Tier IV: At least 3 Layers above Tier I
6820-A was directly said to be a Tier IV anomaly by the Foundation. While it's hard to tell its full scope, that alone would make it crazy powerful.
Do note that you could easily make the argument that the Noösphere and Anti-Noösphere are properly Outerversal in nature. Or even higher, if the words “Narrative Stack” ring a bell. This explanation was merely the simplest and most cohesive way I could muster.
Base 682 scales to none of this.
Ways Doomsday Was Stopped
- Brute Force: Though it is an unreliable method of taking out Doomsday, he has been taken out by pure brute strength on a few occasions.
- In the original Death of Superman storyline, Doomsday was defeated after an extensive fight with Superman, with the Man of Steel briefly having the assistance of the JLA, though the majority of them could do nothing to Doomsday. Ever since this encounter, with the notable exception of a single fight between their New 52 selves and an instance where Doomsday was weakened by a fear of death, Superman has always needed help to take down Doomsday.
- When Superman freed the people of Kandor, they all teamed up with him to defeat Doomsday, overwhelming the monster and defeating him once more.
- During Infinite Crisis, Superman teamed up with Golden Age Superman to fight Doomsday, their combined might being enough to beat him
- The Dark Crisis had a moment where Superman and Superboy (Jon) punch Doomsday together and he does not show up in the event after that
- Entropy: Upon being teleported to the very ends of Time, Doomsday was completely destroyed by Entropy. He has also been reduced to a skeleton by Imperiex, who is said to be an embodiment of Entropy, and blasted by entropic energy from Steel during Apokolips Now. This weakness likely stops applying once he evolves into the Time Trapper.
- The weird fucking Teleporter stunlock: I genuinely don't know how to classify this one. In order to defeat Doomsday in Doomsday Wars, Superman linked up four teleporters together and trapped Doomsday inside one of them. Before his body could fully form in the second teleporter, he would already instantly be teleported again, in an infinite loop. I don't really know how he got out of this one.
- Power Absorption: In one of the latest rampages Doomsday has gone on, he was only able to be defeated once fellow Superman villain Parasite drained some of his energy, weakening him temporarily and making it possible to knock him out with strong enough sedatives and keep him contained.
- Omega Energy: The most primal force of destruction of the entire multiverse, embodying conquest, absorption, control… Essentially, it is Evil itself. Omega Energy spreads like a cancer, gradually destroying all laws of reality and the flow of time itself. The Time Trapper was once nearly destroyed after being infected with Omega Energy, though he can also channel Omega Energy himself??? Fire Scott Snyder honestly
Ways 682 was Terminated
- When Day Broke the Unbreakable Reptile: While its body kept trying to adapt by creating new layers of skin, 682 was eventually melted down and killed by the When Day Breaks sunlight.
- All We Are Is Us: 682 is affected by one of The Thirty-Six (Djoric-Dmatix Proposal) which can lessen or nullify anomalous properties, succumbing to the acid and dying.
- Attempt Successful / SCP-8300: Through completely unknown means, this reality has had all anomalies completely disappear. This affected 682 by removing its healing, allowing it to be easily felled by a lethal injection.
- The Thing That Hates: After becoming one with the universe and consuming everything else, 682 is consumed by oblivion as Entropy takes hold.
- Kill 682: driving in my car right after a beer
Before The Verdict
Time Trapper Questions
The Time Trapper is a very recent addition to Doomsday’s lore, and there are many questions still up in the air about it? Is it even usable? Can we use feats from other appearances of the Time Trapper? Let’s go over those briefly
Is the Time Trapper usable?
Yes. It is a state that Doomsday reaches after undergoing millions of years of evolution through his fights against Superman and other heroes. It’s not a “transformation” or “super form” as much as it is Doomsday at his (as of right now) “Peak”, which is the state mainly taken into account in debates like this. Even if you don’t wish for Doomsday to start the fight as the Time Trapper, if the battle wages on for long enough, he will eventually become it, and then freely travel through time to the start of the fight anyway if he deems it necessary.
Can Doomsday use all of the Time Trapper’s abilities?
This one is a little tricky due to the context in which Time Trapper Doomsday appeared in, but I think it’s reasonable to assume so. The Time Trapper is the living embodiment of Entropy in the DC Universe, and has taken on various identities in the past. Superboy-Prime, a Controller, multiple members of the Legion, and now Doomsday.
While Doomsday himself hasn’t used all of the Trapper’s powers, it’s not an absurd assumption to believe that he can, as all other iterations of the Time Trapper shared a consistent chronokinetic powerset with each other. He has even called himself Entropy after being revealed as the new Time Trapper, embracing that aspect of the mantle fully, giving credence to the idea that he can weaponize Entropy in similar ways.
Additionally, Doomsday being unable to utilize all of the powers of the Time Trapper in the story can be explained as a consequence of Darkseid’s actions as King Omega. It has been shown on multiple occasions that Darkseid’s Omega Energy has broken time itsElf, and Doomsday has directly stated that that has weakened him to a great degree. In a scenario where time is in a normal state of being, Time Trapper Doomsday would likely be far more powerful.
The Presence???
Ok this one is a little out there and you don't really have to believe me here but hear me out because it's funny
When Doomsday was in Hell and Martian Manhunter and Supergirl came to check on him, they were faced with the First of the Fallen, who told them they had to defeat Doomsday ASAP. In order to help them accomplish this, he gifted Supergirl a special suit of armor, said to be the only thing in Hell that could possibly pause Doomsday's assault.
This suit of armor was designed specifically to be worn in battle against The Presence, made out of the shells of inhabitants of Hell far more ancient than The First of the Fallen himself and if the First of the Fallen EVER put it on, it would alert the armies of Heaven and kickstart a holy war.
So Supergirl, wearing this weapon specifically meant to fight The Presence, squares up against Doomsday.
And gets her fucking shit rocked it is not close in the slightest jesus christ.
So does Doomsday scale to the Presence? Maybe! The chain is very simple (Doomsday > The Armor <= The Presence) but it can very easily be seen as an outlier since nothing else in Doomsday's mythos gets him to “can box the top 1 of the verse” tier. I won't act like it's rock solid, but it's a solid high end for Doomsday's overwhelming potential.
682 and “Canon”
Like promised earlier, here's a more in depth explanation on how Canon is being handled in this blog.
SCP Foundation has no primary canon. Compared to DC Comics, it shares the idea of various continuities that can connect to each other, but does not possess a “main” continuity to speak of.
This means that any writer can come up with their own ideas for essentially any anomaly, taking or not taking from other ideas as much as they want. It's easy to assume that you should simply composite 682, drawing from all of these takes simultaneously.
Being blunt, that's not how I'm choosing to analyze 682 here.
682 was created by Dr. Gears, and I believe that sticking with what's consistent with his vision of the character would be ideal for a blog such as this. Placeholder McD.’s 6820 was an extension of concepts Gears himself had come up with, so it'll similarly be highlighted. While stories like The Lucky Dinosaur and Hard-to-Reach Place are great tales (seriously, give them a read if you can), they are ultimately too separate from the “primary” depiction of 682 to be reasonably mixed together with the Hard-to-Destroy Reptile.
Able and The Bloom
As I’m sure some readers are likely aware of, there's a feat performed by Able commonly used as a major point of evidence for 682 reaching multiversal stats without resorting to his true form. The feat in question being how in the events of Incident Zero, Able was able to cut the universe spanning petals of the Bloom.
Let's break this down. First of all, what is The Bloom?
The Bloom is first mentioned in Incident Zero Part 2. It is described by the Overseers as a “reset button for the universe”, also being described as a “trans-universal flower” and a “multiversal observer”, O10 then describes it as “the separation point between several different versions of possibility.”
It is an artifact that “holds separate universes apart”. A force that ensures the Multiverse doesn't collapse into a single space. In the story, something had made the Bloom start drawing the universes together, slowly ensuring the destruction of all of them.
In Incident Zero Part 4, Cain reaches the Bloom. It is described as having “iridescent petals stretching across the dimensions”, and being “the cosmic flower at the heart of the world.” Part 5 adds that the petals spanned universes.
And then, finally we get to the feat.
“He laughed as he raised his hand above his head. The sword that burst forth stretched from his fingertips all the way to the stars, and beyond. It swallowed up all light that fell upon it, sang of death and the silent tomb, smelled of the void between worlds, devoured light and heat and life and hope…”
“He slashed down, and the blade sliced through the gleaming petals and embedded itself deep into the heart of The Bloom.”
So this is very clearly a multiversal feat, likely Multi+ due to the SCP Multiverse having statements of being infinite in nature. So does 682 scale? Well…
It's explained in the aftermath of the event that Able did not summon his weapons a single time after the Bloom feat, at least by the end of the story. It's implied that he spent his absolute entire power source (the Thorn) in order to achieve this feat, which he clearly never did in any of his fights against 682. Similarly, it is HEAVILY implied that Cain's presence was outright necessary for it to be accomplished, and Cain wasn't present in any of the Able vs 682 brawls.
While this is likely arguable as a high-end, it's pretty clear to me that 682 wouldn't scale to the Bloom feat directly. You could likely argue Able being able to swing the sword at all would be immeasurable in speed, which is probably fine.
Tree of Knowledge Scaling?
This… is a little awkward.
A well known feat for 682 involves the tale Dust and Blood by the writer Djoric. The story goes that the children of the Scarlet King, which would include 682, assisted in the King’s war against the Tree of Life, which supported all of creation. A pretty major and important feat for scaling 682 to the entire SCP cosmology, at least the one from Djoric’s tales, right?
In the 31st of January of 2026, Djoric removed Dust and Blood and all of his stories connected to it from the wiki out of extreme frustration and dissatisfaction with the staff of the SCP Wiki. You can read more about it in Djoric’s author page. Out of respect for the author, I will not be using any material related to his take on the Scarlet King. It’s the least I can do.
In regards to the Constant of Termination
The ending of SCP-6820 is intentionally kept a bit vague in regards to what the “Perfection” achieved by 682 actually entails. Main writer Placeholder McD has made a few statements on the matter, however, discussing how he views the SCPverse and the forces that preside over it.
To Placeholder, the entirety of the SCPverse is nothing but a massive simulation on a beyond cosmic scale, featuring absurdly powerful algorithms known as the 13 Constants. These Constants define narrative elements across the entire SCP multiverse, serving as the ultimate Big Bads that the Foundation must one day conquer.
Not all of these Constants have been introduced yet, but we do know some of them. Chaos. Anafabula. And most importantly for now… Termination.
After that?
…Unclear!
To be blunt, relying too much on the Constant would be absurdly reliant on assumptions and pure guesswork. We basically have a single Word of God from a singular author to go off of in a project directly described as a collab-driven anthology. The logical thing to do is to keep it away for now until it one day is explained in more detail in Admonition itself, if ever.
Even outside of that, there are some genuine issues to consider. First of all, 682 clearly requires both 3125 and 055 to “unlock” this true perfection it speaks of. It is not a state that would naturally be entered through natural adaptations, it is entirely reliant on the presence of those two factors, though we'll be considering it regardless.
Beyond that, the Constants described by Placeholder hold command over the entire SCP simulation, which would at the very least encompass the Infosphere, yet 6820-A seems pretty limited to just one timeline, as it leaves the rest of the SCP cosmology completely unaffected and able to learn from Timeline AU-6820’s mistake. Given the sheer hatred it displays at the end of the article, I don't see why it would limit itself to just this one timeline.
While it may have “the form” of Termination, it seems very clear to me that it isn't LITERALLY Termination. It doesn't have the command over SCP's narrative flow it would have otherwise.
For the sake of the debate, we’ll be treating 6820-A itself as 682’s “true” form.
Verdict
Doomsday vs SCP-682. Figuring out a verdict for this was nearly impossible, but I’m glad to report we may have figured this out.
Can Doomsday and 682 even kill each other?
In a physical confrontation, the main things to consider are, of course, Stats and Abilities. When it comes to the former, it sadly isn’t close. Doomsday’s constant battles against Superman and the Justice League give him avenues for scaling that would eclipse every single feat 682 has ever performed. Even its more insane adaptations like becoming planet sized or even universe sized simply can’t compete with the sheer strength Doomsday possesses.
In a best case scenario, we can compare 682 to Able’s feat of destroying the Bloom, a multiversal structure. However, Superman himself has a feat of destroying an entire multiverse with a punch, matching the Able feat while also not being nearly the limit for Doomsday’s strength. Speed is in a similar camp, as Doomsday has been said to be faster than the Flash since his first story arc, which is both consistent across appearances and too much for the Hard-to-Destroy Reptile to really handle.
But there comes a major issue. As strong as Doomsday is, he can’t really take 682 out for good. Punching really hard isn’t ever going to be enough considering 682’s healing and immortality, so does Doomsday have any other way to seal the deal?
Not really. And neither does 682.
Neither of these characters is particularly known for having unique offensive hax powers. They are, first and foremost, focused on Resistances to everything people try to do to them.
Doomsday has energy manipulation, which 682 could adapt to become immune to and fire right back at him.
Doomsday’s Death Field has a myriad of unique effects, and 682 resists every single one of them.
682 doesn’t really have a soul for hellfire to target, the Doomsday Virus would at best not affect it at all or at worst give it an argument for matching stats, you get the idea.
And on the flip side, 682’s total lack of abilities that aren’t based on resisting things means it doesn’t have any real way to get past how absurdly tougher Doomsday is. No physical 682 embodiment has anything that can overcome the Ultimate Life Form.
As such, we have to leave the realm of the physical entirely.
Can 6820-A destroy Doomsday?
6820-A doesn’t do a lot, but we have a decent idea of what it can do, which is primarily reality warping and conceptual absorption/erasure. Are those viable methods of destroying Doomsday once and for all?
Probably not. Attempting to contain or absorb Doomsday on a more esoteric level has made even characters like Martian Manhunter and conceptual environments like Hell get corrupted and forcefully altered into becoming Doomsday, and Darkseid’s Omega Beams completely failed to erase the bastard, even though Darkseid was openly going for the kill and had been able to erase platonic ideatic entities beforehand. 6820-A’s conceptual abilities may look like an instant win, but when you really look at Doomsday’s history, you find that this would be nothing new to him.
However, 6820-A still presents a genuine threat, in that Doomsday in his normal forms has absolutely no chance to destroy it. It’s simply too large of an ideatic construct for him to break through with a punch. So we have to flip this question around.
Can the Time Trapper destroy 6820-A?
The Time Trapper is perhaps the greatest boon Doomsday got in the past few years. It has unmatched chronal might, nearly unrivaled in all of DC, and, most importantly for the sake of this debate, has total access to Entropy. But is that enough?
Entropy in the DC Universe is an overwhelming destructive force that can even cause conceptual erasure to things like Death itself. It can destroy all of time and space, likely being able to affect practically all of DC’s Cosmology if the comparisons to the Anti-Monitor hold weight.
So the question now is simple. Is the wrath of Entropy capable of erasing 6820-A?
…The question was simple, but finding a proper answer wasn’t. We have never seen the Entropy of the Time Trapper directly affect a being on the same level of reality as 6820-A’s Tier IV extranoospheric existence, so we’re left without a proper smoking gun one way or the other. The more likely assumption would be that it can’t destroy 6820-A, but that would again leave us without a solution to this problem. Can they really simply never bring an end to each other?
To solve a question of such ideatic nature, we need an answer that matches it.
Can the King Omega destroy 6820-A?
With his Alpha and Omega energies, Doomsday can ascend and finally reach the same level as 6820-A without a shadow of a doubt, finally evening the playing field. As the King Omega, Doomsday would have the ability to assimilate all surrounding reality and rule over it. But how could that help defeat something like 6820-A?
As a wise woman once said, ideas can be killed. With better ideas.
As a reminder, when the Foundation's Antimemetics Division was faced with a cancerous murderous memeplex (3125), the method to defeating it was to create a countermeme powerful enough to completely obliterate it. There is precedence for an entity that operates on the exact level of 6820-A being folded by the power of love and hope and all of that sappy stuff, so long as the idea is amplified to extra-noospheric levels beforehand, a task which the powers of the King Omega could easily fulfull.
6820-A may be Termination, the fundamental fact that all things must have an ending. But the Alpha Energy that Doomsday was designed to embody represents Rebirth and Life Eternal. These two are forces that exist in complete, ideatic opposition. It’s a simple equation, really.
How do you beat the conceptual certainty of the end?
With new beginnings.
Conclusion
Doomsday
Advantages:
- Absurdly stronger in physical combat
- More experienced with fighting enemies with cosmic and abstract levels of power
- Resists 6820-A’s conceptual abilities such as subsumption and erasure
- Far more versatile toolkit, especially as the Time Trapper
- King Omega can eventually overcome 6820-A on an ideatic level
- Was like the one good part of DC K.O.’s story
Disadvantages:
- Lacks any method of fully taking out 682 on a physical level
- 682 resists so much shit it makes his abilities practically worthless
- The Doomsday Virus could possibly be weaponized to make 682 reach his strength
- Entropy is unlikely to be enough to take out 6820-A
- DC K.O. delayed this blog by like 5 months thanks Snyder
- Milkcow for Crisis Events
SCP-682
- Adaptation and Regeneration make it impossible to take out on a physical level
- Resists each and every single ability Doomsday could think to use
- More intelligent than Doomsday on most scenarios
- 6820-A exists on too high of a scale for most iterations of Doomsday to be able to reach
- Would stomp if this was a Rap Battle
Disadvantages:
- Every single Embodiment would be way too weak to ever cause Doomsday any harm
- Conceptual abilities would be resisted by Doomsday
- Lacks any method to truly end Doomsday
- I had to read selfcest to research this motherfucker
- Pesterbot victim
Doomsday Votes: O5-1, O5-2, O5-3, O5-4, O5-5, O5-9, O5-11, O5-13.
SCP-682 Votes: O5-7, O5-10.
Abstained: O5-6, O5-8, O5-12.
The motion has passed. As only one of these entities appears to have a method of being permanently eliminated, the result is clear. The winner is Doomsday.
Afterword
And there we have it.
Research on this project started in August of 2025. It was born out of genuine curiosity over what 682 had been actually shown to do and what had come out with Doomsday in the years since the last times he had been covered in any sort of VS project. It feels odd to see this actually be finished, considering how long I’ve been working on it.
Huge props to Loka, of course and to KingCorporeal for giving in his two cents on the verdict. Special thanks to all my friends who have been watching me go insane while reading SCP material for 682 for the past 8 months.
It was fun working on something like this, but I can’t say I’d want to handle a matchup this complex for quite a while, at least not by myself. This was exhausting.
If you’ve actually read all the way here, thank you! It means a lot. Please be respectful in the comments, even if you disagree with my conclusions.
Until we meet again!
































































Very fun read.
ReplyDeleteLackluster research on 682
ReplyDeleteHere's a better detailed blog on 682:
https://fictional-indexing.fandom.com/wiki/SCP-682_(SCP_Foundation)/Gewsbumpz_dude
" but I can’t say I’d want to handle a matchup this complex for quite a while" buddy...you didn't even cover half of 682, it aint that deep🥀🥀🥀
ReplyDeleteDamn, Doomsday beat a nerfed, hardly researched 682. Nice
ReplyDeleteI feel like a lot of the time people are way to opposed to a blog just having a different result than what the consensus believes, yes you can have your disagreements but throwing accusations based on purely "I don't like this result" isn't very a good way to handle things. Especially given how a lot of the time it is just the consensus is just kinda wrong (like the idea of just comping 682 or that he's this completely unkillable monster that you CANNOT argue his opponents stand a chance against). Anyways great blog and I agree with the verdict
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's just...that lackluster, it doesn't even cover half of 682 history, also this could apply to DC as well, since people remove context of World forger and True Form Darkseid to put characters in Outer
DeleteNgl this blog was extremely lackluster
Deletegreat blog
ReplyDelete...also hold up just a second, YOU CALLED 682 ASEXUAL ICON BECAUSE HE HATE LIVE?????? This is...wow just...wow, and I thought G1blog Satsuki Yuri and Saber is shirou mother figure was bad
ReplyDeleteThis might be every bit as badly argued as Fan Battle's Superman vs Scarlet King.
ReplyDeleteYou guys claimed that 3125 failed to resist an ability, therefore it should be able to kill 682, despite 3125 and 6820 not being the same entity. You guys also argued that scaling to The Presence is a high-end for Doomsday, and that's just ridiculous.
Great Blog, I love seeing how matchups change and evolve over time
ReplyDeleteThis blog is ass.
ReplyDeleteHey, first of all, congratulations to the research team. It was an entertaining blog to read, it got straight to the point, and it wasn't confusing.
ReplyDeleteI just have a few questions about the outcome:
-What do you think about SCP's Boundless Scaling? I see that it wasn't taken into account; was there a reason for that?
-If 682 can absorb conceptual energies according to the analysis, couldn't it just absorb the alpha and omega energies of Time Trapper Doomsday? In DC KO, he died definitively after that.
-I'm also not entirely sure about giving Doomsday the ability to transform into King Omega on his own. It's not something we saw him do.
Beyond that, good reading. I'll keep reading future blogs you publish.
Yeah NGL you guys really missed a bunch for 682; gave some really weird arguments for Doomsday beating the true form too
ReplyDeleteMaybe stick to more simple match ups